1 00:00:07,130 --> 00:00:21,720 [Music] 2 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:24,970 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:35,430 --> 00:00:29,110 standard of paranormal radio now here's 4 00:00:38,770 --> 00:00:35,440 Jean Stein so we have a special guest 5 00:00:42,340 --> 00:00:38,780 cause today the one the only the 6 00:00:44,770 --> 00:00:42,350 inimitable curmudgeon of the UFO field 7 00:00:47,919 --> 00:00:44,780 he doesn't like me saying that Don Ecker 8 00:00:51,579 --> 00:00:47,929 what do you mean I love that you love it 9 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:51,589 okay so I'm the lovable curmudgeon and 10 00:00:57,610 --> 00:00:53,449 absolutely what are you talking about 11 00:01:01,029 --> 00:00:57,620 ask my wife Jean ask my wife I will 12 00:01:02,910 --> 00:01:01,039 indeed I didn't mean to put you off your 13 00:01:05,259 --> 00:01:02,920 feet there pal 14 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:05,269 listen I'm glad you like it because I'll 15 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:08,090 continue doing it so there okay 16 00:01:12,430 --> 00:01:09,760 I will continue to call you the 17 00:01:14,170 --> 00:01:12,440 curmudgeon of the UFO field a couple of 18 00:01:17,770 --> 00:01:14,180 things while go to before we get to our 19 00:01:22,060 --> 00:01:17,780 guest who is the Reverend dr. Barry 20 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:22,070 downing first time on the power cast so 21 00:01:26,620 --> 00:01:23,780 this is gonna be a real interesting show 22 00:01:28,930 --> 00:01:26,630 but before we do that a couple of things 23 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:28,940 to bring up first of all as some of you 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:31,370 listeners know I am currently living in 25 00:01:35,860 --> 00:01:34,250 a motel because the property management 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:35,870 at the apartment in which we were living 27 00:01:41,620 --> 00:01:39,890 decided we would be happier if we didn't 28 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:41,630 live there and we're looking for a new 29 00:01:46,330 --> 00:01:43,310 place and that's how it goes 30 00:01:48,820 --> 00:01:46,340 unfortunately in the UFO field there are 31 00:01:51,130 --> 00:01:48,830 lots and lots of trolls out there and 32 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:51,140 some of those trolls have decided that 33 00:01:56,410 --> 00:01:54,410 people who have money problems ought to 34 00:02:01,180 --> 00:01:56,420 be the subject of their personal attacks 35 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:01,190 so if you read this stuff don't I will 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:03,350 name the people who are involved some I 37 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:05,570 thought would be respectable but some 38 00:02:09,279 --> 00:02:07,130 are not that's how it goes 39 00:02:12,130 --> 00:02:09,289 in the meantime obviously we're able to 40 00:02:15,009 --> 00:02:12,140 do a show because the motel the computer 41 00:02:17,470 --> 00:02:15,019 the mixer the mic and an internet 42 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:17,480 connection and we're in business and now 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:19,610 another thing and there's something that 44 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:22,290 Don and I and Chris O'Brien have talked 45 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:25,980 about over the years a certain former 46 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:31,290 exposed figure in the UFO field has like 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:35,790 Count Dracula opted to return now tell 48 00:02:42,020 --> 00:02:38,370 our listeners again how you and lance 49 00:02:48,619 --> 00:02:42,030 moody helped to expose Phillip and Brock 50 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:48,629 No oh my we're going back to 2011 now 51 00:02:55,179 --> 00:02:51,090 many people listening to my voice will 52 00:02:59,929 --> 00:02:55,189 be aware and maybe many others won't 53 00:03:04,909 --> 00:02:59,939 that I have been hosting my own radio 54 00:03:09,740 --> 00:03:04,919 program dark matters radio now actually 55 00:03:12,349 --> 00:03:09,750 gene I'm in about my 28th year of being 56 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:12,359 a broadcaster not all on the same 57 00:03:20,809 --> 00:03:16,530 network of course but dark matters radio 58 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:20,819 began its life in 2004 on a satellite 59 00:03:29,149 --> 00:03:25,769 network in 2010 I was brought on the 60 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:29,159 cyber station USA Network until about a 61 00:03:35,569 --> 00:03:32,430 year and a half ago and now I am on K 62 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:35,579 GRA and in that time of course as you 63 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:38,940 can imagine I've interviewed hundreds 64 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:44,810 and hundreds of people now back in 2011 65 00:03:54,589 --> 00:03:50,609 I had occasion to host a well-known and 66 00:03:56,899 --> 00:03:54,599 at the time respected UFO researcher and 67 00:04:02,330 --> 00:03:56,909 author by the name of Philip J in 68 00:04:05,179 --> 00:04:02,340 Bracknell now I had in that year and I 69 00:04:10,670 --> 00:04:05,189 believe the year previously interviewed 70 00:04:13,929 --> 00:04:10,680 him twice and on both shows he had told 71 00:04:19,729 --> 00:04:13,939 some well quite frankly extraordinary 72 00:04:22,969 --> 00:04:19,739 tales but he was also billing himself as 73 00:04:27,950 --> 00:04:22,979 having received a doctorate degree from 74 00:04:28,999 --> 00:04:27,960 MIT and on my shows he made a point of 75 00:04:32,149 --> 00:04:29,009 mentioning 76 00:04:33,390 --> 00:04:32,159 on a number of occasions during the war 77 00:04:35,939 --> 00:04:33,400 in Vietnam 78 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:35,949 he was a member of the United States 79 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:39,250 Army's elite Special Forces a green 80 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:42,910 beret and not only a green beret but 81 00:04:51,150 --> 00:04:47,530 that he had been part of SOG studies an 82 00:04:54,350 --> 00:04:51,160 observation group which was at the time 83 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:54,360 during Vietnam and extraordinarily black 84 00:05:01,020 --> 00:04:57,370 project where Special Forces personnel 85 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:01,030 were sent into places like Laos and 86 00:05:09,090 --> 00:05:05,470 Cambodia now I'm a Vietnam vet at the 87 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:09,100 time when he made those claims I gotta 88 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:13,120 say that I was somewhat curious about 89 00:05:18,379 --> 00:05:15,760 following up on that but I was doing a 90 00:05:22,110 --> 00:05:18,389 five-night a week's show then and 91 00:05:24,029 --> 00:05:22,120 basically I was a one-man band 92 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:24,039 so I really didn't have the time to 93 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:26,020 follow up on a lot of things now 94 00:05:34,469 --> 00:05:29,970 Lance Moody is a long time or was a 95 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:34,479 longtime user on the para cast and not 96 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:39,330 only a user he was becoming a noted 97 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:43,449 skeptic now there's nothing in the world 98 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:47,590 wrong with skepticism I am a skeptic as 99 00:05:55,140 --> 00:05:49,510 I think you will attest to 100 00:06:00,180 --> 00:05:55,150 but Lance had occasionally launched ad 101 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:00,190 hominem attacks on a number of users and 102 00:06:06,450 --> 00:06:03,130 that created some friction on the form 103 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:06,460 now that's not to say that in some cases 104 00:06:14,779 --> 00:06:10,690 he might not have been correct but he he 105 00:06:18,659 --> 00:06:14,789 was sometimes I think intentionally 106 00:06:22,860 --> 00:06:18,669 other times not intentionally abrasive 107 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:22,870 but he and I clashed on several occasion 108 00:06:27,719 --> 00:06:24,310 you know I want to ask one question 109 00:06:29,969 --> 00:06:27,729 before you go on sure okay Reverend 110 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:29,979 downing do you know who Lance Moody is 111 00:06:36,450 --> 00:06:33,970 no no no that's moody Phillip rollro 112 00:06:38,730 --> 00:06:36,460 he was basically Long Island Hudson 113 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:38,740 Valley area right a Hudson Valley 114 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:41,530 upstate New York yes yes 115 00:06:48,010 --> 00:06:44,150 he's only about a couple of miles away 116 00:06:50,860 --> 00:06:48,020 from me but the other guy don't know Don 117 00:06:56,710 --> 00:06:50,870 okay at any rate it was some time 118 00:07:00,550 --> 00:06:56,720 earlier that year perhaps March April or 119 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:00,560 even May it's been now it's been about 120 00:07:08,530 --> 00:07:03,290 seven eight years ago he contacted me 121 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:08,540 privately and said that he had done some 122 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:12,890 research on the purported claims of in 123 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:17,990 broad nose PhD he had contacted MIT and 124 00:07:26,590 --> 00:07:22,610 they had literally absolutely no record 125 00:07:32,940 --> 00:07:26,600 of his attending much less receiving a 126 00:07:37,090 --> 00:07:32,950 PhD now on his authors website back then 127 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:37,100 it had that listed very prominently he 128 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:40,910 was a school teacher and he claimed of 129 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:43,640 course not only his Bachelor of Science 130 00:07:51,910 --> 00:07:47,930 but then his master's and now a PhD and 131 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:51,920 there was absolutely no record of it now 132 00:07:59,560 --> 00:07:56,210 the in the UFO field for ever we have 133 00:08:02,170 --> 00:07:59,570 had those individuals that have made 134 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:02,180 extraordinary claims concerning their 135 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:04,370 backgrounds their education and what 136 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:08,060 have you suddenly it looked like a 137 00:08:17,110 --> 00:08:11,570 fellow that went all the way back to the 138 00:08:20,470 --> 00:08:17,120 very early 1980s had along with dr. J 139 00:08:23,740 --> 00:08:20,480 Allen Hynek and Robert Pratt wrote one 140 00:08:28,710 --> 00:08:23,750 of the then seminal books on the UFO 141 00:08:34,210 --> 00:08:28,720 topic which was the Hudson Valley UFO 142 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:34,220 that was being basically exposed as a 143 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:38,510 fraud now when Lance came to me and 144 00:08:46,270 --> 00:08:42,530 having known Lance I I was the coin a 145 00:08:49,270 --> 00:08:46,280 phrase and no pun intended skeptical and 146 00:08:52,030 --> 00:08:49,280 I cautioned him I said look you had 147 00:08:54,430 --> 00:08:52,040 better be certain of what your you're 148 00:08:57,300 --> 00:08:54,440 going to publicly state 149 00:08:59,950 --> 00:08:57,310 or you could be open to a lawsuit now he 150 00:09:03,160 --> 00:08:59,960 informed me then that he had also 151 00:09:07,780 --> 00:09:03,170 approached you and mr. Chris O'Brien 152 00:09:10,390 --> 00:09:07,790 about this I said fine so I sat back and 153 00:09:13,690 --> 00:09:10,400 I thought about that for a while if this 154 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:13,700 guy turned out to have lied about his 155 00:09:19,150 --> 00:09:16,700 academic background what else may have 156 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:19,160 lied about now when I was a detective 157 00:09:25,660 --> 00:09:22,310 when I was a police officer I had a rule 158 00:09:29,710 --> 00:09:25,670 of thumb if we used for example a 159 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:29,720 confidential informant that CI had 160 00:09:36,970 --> 00:09:34,540 better be a 100% on the money every time 161 00:09:40,210 --> 00:09:36,980 let's do our break with Don Ecker 162 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:40,220 we also have the Reverend dr. 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Barry downing and he has a 273 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:32,399 long history about books concerning well 274 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:34,889 are called ancient astronauts our guest 275 00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:37,649 co-host is Don Ecker Don let's just wrap 276 00:14:43,090 --> 00:14:41,040 up the film brog no case and bring it up 277 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:43,100 to date because it's like Count Dracula 278 00:14:51,170 --> 00:14:46,680 it never ends well this is another 279 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:51,180 phenomena based in this area of pursuit 280 00:14:58,850 --> 00:14:55,649 the ever-rising frauds okay knocked down 281 00:15:03,350 --> 00:14:58,860 once but never out so I thought about 282 00:15:05,059 --> 00:15:03,360 this academic discovery of Lance Modi 283 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:05,069 about Philip and Brock No 284 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:08,060 so I decided to go to my military 285 00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:11,730 contacts and do some background to 286 00:15:18,290 --> 00:15:15,600 discover if in fact in brog know had 287 00:15:20,929 --> 00:15:18,300 served in Special Forces as he 288 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:20,939 prominently claimed and after about a 289 00:15:29,170 --> 00:15:24,600 week or two my contact got back to me 290 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:29,180 and they had discovered zero zero 291 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:32,250 evidence of him ever having been in 292 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:34,649 Special Forces now I suspected that 293 00:15:41,090 --> 00:15:37,649 because in the meantime I had done a 294 00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:41,100 search on in broad nose birthday and in 295 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:45,540 broad no was too young to have served in 296 00:15:52,699 --> 00:15:48,750 the Special Forces anyway during the 297 00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:52,709 Vietnam War so I ended up writing up a 298 00:15:59,840 --> 00:15:57,360 rather extensive op eds pose a piece on 299 00:16:03,319 --> 00:15:59,850 and brog know which I posted on the para 300 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:03,329 cast and it's made the rounds now and 301 00:16:08,929 --> 00:16:05,970 one would think that that would have 302 00:16:12,259 --> 00:16:08,939 ended it at that time his writing 303 00:16:14,269 --> 00:16:12,269 partner rosemary ellen guiley whom had 304 00:16:17,949 --> 00:16:14,279 collaborated with him on a number of 305 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:17,959 books broke away from him in broad no 306 00:16:23,419 --> 00:16:21,360 cancelled his telephone number got a new 307 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:23,429 phone wouldn't tell anybody about it 308 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:25,769 changed his email address he was 309 00:16:31,939 --> 00:16:28,529 humiliated well one thing about the UFO 310 00:16:34,999 --> 00:16:31,949 field when somebody is exposed just hang 311 00:16:38,689 --> 00:16:35,009 around awhile they'll be back and now as 312 00:16:42,499 --> 00:16:38,699 it turns out it appears that in broad 313 00:16:45,259 --> 00:16:42,509 nose publisher Llewellyn is coming out 314 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:45,269 with a new book of his the end of this 315 00:16:52,610 --> 00:16:50,160 year 2018 so having heard that I myself 316 00:16:56,169 --> 00:16:52,620 for my radio program got in touch with 317 00:16:59,360 --> 00:16:56,179 Lance moody and this coming weekend on 318 00:17:02,929 --> 00:16:59,370 kgr a we're going to be doing a complete 319 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:02,939 show on this story to me here what's 320 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:06,049 interesting to me here Don is that 321 00:17:12,409 --> 00:17:09,270 Llewellyn should be a respectable or 322 00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:12,419 relatively respectable publisher how do 323 00:17:19,699 --> 00:17:16,319 they allow this guy to write books they 324 00:17:21,949 --> 00:17:19,709 would kill the book if it's exposed to 325 00:17:25,819 --> 00:17:21,959 be plagiarized they would kill the book 326 00:17:30,010 --> 00:17:25,829 why is little and allowing this like so 327 00:17:35,230 --> 00:17:30,020 many other facets in current present-day 328 00:17:40,850 --> 00:17:35,240 America there are vanishing standards 329 00:17:44,270 --> 00:17:40,860 all right once upon a time when I would 330 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:44,280 finish dinner Gwen to watch the nightly 331 00:17:53,090 --> 00:17:49,250 news I could turn on ABC CBS or NBC and 332 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:53,100 pretty much be assured that they were 333 00:17:57,260 --> 00:17:56,370 telling me the straight story not these 334 00:18:00,690 --> 00:17:57,270 days 335 00:18:04,380 --> 00:18:00,700 journalism as a profession in my opinion 336 00:18:06,750 --> 00:18:04,390 is basically dead the same thing with 337 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:06,760 publishing I think they're more 338 00:18:14,790 --> 00:18:11,530 concerned with what may end up being in 339 00:18:18,510 --> 00:18:14,800 the received column after they published 340 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:18,520 the book then whether their authors are 341 00:18:24,780 --> 00:18:22,480 upright upstanding individuals and if in 342 00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:24,790 fact Llewellyn comes out with a book 343 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:27,070 that tells me all I need to know about 344 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:29,950 them after and they are aware of the 345 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:33,190 scandal back from 2011 if from no other 346 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:36,670 source from rosemary ellen guiley when 347 00:18:42,030 --> 00:18:39,040 she broke off and threatened to sue them 348 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:42,040 if they came out with a book she had 349 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:45,760 then co-written with embroid knows she 350 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:47,770 wanted nothing to do with it anymore I 351 00:18:53,070 --> 00:18:50,530 think that's your answer back to news 352 00:18:55,890 --> 00:18:53,080 what happened here is news used to be a 353 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:55,900 public service and then they realized 354 00:19:01,560 --> 00:18:58,570 that news could be a source of profit 355 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:01,570 that goes back to ABC and Roone Arledge 356 00:19:05,820 --> 00:19:03,700 who headed the sports division 357 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:05,830 Reverend Downey might remember this and 358 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:08,290 they gave him the news division and 359 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:10,420 that's where it became entertainment 360 00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,330 let's talk to Reverend downing tell us 361 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:15,280 also first about your background and how 362 00:19:21,180 --> 00:19:18,190 you got involved in these crazy fields 363 00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:21,190 okay but let's not go away from ethics 364 00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:24,100 and UFOs all night okay let's come back 365 00:19:30,090 --> 00:19:26,830 to it sometime or ethics in America now 366 00:19:32,730 --> 00:19:30,100 in general and where UFOs might play a 367 00:19:36,270 --> 00:19:32,740 role in it I think that's a very big 368 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:36,280 issue my background did a bachelor's 369 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:38,790 degree in physics Hartwick College 370 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:42,190 graduated in 1960 then went to Princeton 371 00:19:48,930 --> 00:19:44,890 seminary did some degree there and 372 00:19:50,970 --> 00:19:48,940 graduate in 63 so I'm in 55 years out of 373 00:19:53,730 --> 00:19:50,980 prints right now went on to the 374 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:53,740 University of Edinburgh and did a PhD in 375 00:19:58,890 --> 00:19:55,810 the relation to in science and really I 376 00:20:01,160 --> 00:19:58,900 do have a real PhD furthermore there are 377 00:20:04,530 --> 00:20:01,170 skeptics out there if Sonia wants of me 378 00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:04,540 $50 I will mail him a photocopy of my 379 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:07,600 dissertation and here's the title cat 380 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:09,190 illogical implications of the other 381 00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:10,620 tenth standing of time 382 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:12,900 space and the thought of Isaac Newton 383 00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:16,559 it's not easy reading or fun reading but 384 00:20:22,940 --> 00:20:20,070 there it is what the pH DS for isn't 385 00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:22,950 necessarily fun reading any case that is 386 00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:26,640 how I got my education while I was in 387 00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:29,220 seminary one of the professors in a 388 00:20:33,769 --> 00:20:31,980 class on doctrine said nobody today 389 00:20:36,830 --> 00:20:33,779 believes in the ascension do they and if 390 00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:36,840 Jesus did not ascend into heaven then 391 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:39,390 where is his body we may only suppose 392 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:41,730 his bones lie buried somewhere in the 393 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:42,450 Middle East 394 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:45,330 well this blew my innocent little mind I 395 00:20:49,610 --> 00:20:47,010 thought that all seminary professor 396 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:49,620 Italy believed in the Apostles Creed and 397 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:52,529 there was one who did not furthermore 398 00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:54,809 what he didn't believe in was the part 399 00:20:59,389 --> 00:20:57,510 that says hey folks you think when you 400 00:21:02,180 --> 00:20:59,399 die you're gonna go off to another world 401 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:02,190 not true when you die you're dead that's 402 00:21:07,399 --> 00:21:04,950 it too bad so here I was right in the 403 00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:07,409 edge of going into ministry what was 404 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:09,240 they're gonna say in a funeral you know 405 00:21:12,919 --> 00:21:11,250 he went on to say the reasons we don't 406 00:21:15,260 --> 00:21:12,929 believe in the Ascension anymore is 407 00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:15,270 because biblical believed in a 408 00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:17,940 three-decker universe heaven above earth 409 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:20,460 in the middle and Hell below and we 410 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:22,260 don't believe that now and I didn't 411 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:24,750 believe that either therefore the story 412 00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:26,730 of the ascension must not true because 413 00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:29,549 they had a false understanding of the 414 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:32,760 cosmology my point is I could be in an 415 00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:35,730 airport and see a plane take off and I 416 00:21:39,889 --> 00:21:37,740 might suppose is taking off for 417 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,899 Philadelphia when in fact it's heading 418 00:21:43,820 --> 00:21:42,000 for Florida I might be mistaken about 419 00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,830 the destination but I wouldn't be 420 00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:45,840 mistaken about seeing the plane take off 421 00:21:51,260 --> 00:21:48,720 if some people saw Jesus go up into the 422 00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,270 sky after he finished his ministry on 423 00:21:55,460 --> 00:21:52,799 earth and after he had been raised in 424 00:21:57,380 --> 00:21:55,470 the dead this might be true even though 425 00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,390 the idea of a three-decker universe 426 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:00,000 might not be true as I looked at that I 427 00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:01,770 thought I wonder if there's some other 428 00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:04,020 way we can go at this sorry I want the 429 00:22:08,779 --> 00:22:06,179 University of Edinburgh and studied 430 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:08,789 eschatology in its base eschatology has 431 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:11,220 to do with the end things has to do with 432 00:22:15,860 --> 00:22:13,289 where we go after we die things like 433 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:15,870 that and is there a place in universe 434 00:22:19,820 --> 00:22:17,730 for heaven or for another world where 435 00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:19,830 the Angels might be or whatever 436 00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:22,919 during my third year PhD studies around 437 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:26,880 October of 1965 I got the idea I had 438 00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:29,850 started reading Donald Kehoe books in 439 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00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:36,530 Vicar of Christ of the Holy Roman 552 00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:40,730 Catholic Church and a conversation with 553 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:43,820 a friend of his described by the press 554 00:27:55,060 --> 00:27:48,410 his friend is a total atheist the Pope 555 00:27:58,750 --> 00:27:55,070 denied the idea of a hell now I grew up 556 00:28:02,200 --> 00:27:58,760 in a very I and I am NOT Roman Catholic 557 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:02,210 but I grew up in an area where it was 558 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:05,570 heavy heavy Roman Catholic and as a 559 00:28:10,570 --> 00:28:07,130 matter of fact one of my mother's very 560 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:10,580 best friends was a Roman Catholic she 561 00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:13,160 had two sons and we spent a lot of time 562 00:28:19,409 --> 00:28:15,830 together and I can remember those guys 563 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:19,419 being over at my house their mother 564 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:22,610 admonishing my mother - don't you dare 565 00:28:28,270 --> 00:28:24,770 feed them any meat on Friday 566 00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:28,280 riho remember those types those types of 567 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:33,110 things I'm sure and when I heard how far 568 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:37,220 the standards apparently of the Roman 569 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:39,710 Catholic Church have descended it 570 00:28:44,169 --> 00:28:42,230 literally it shocked me what was your 571 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:44,179 take on it all right I hadn't heard that 572 00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:47,240 particular comment or the read Ross do 573 00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,990 tot do you tha t he writes regularly for 574 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:53,360 the New York Times he's considered a 575 00:28:58,740 --> 00:28:55,610 conservative by New York Times standards 576 00:29:03,040 --> 00:28:58,750 but he's written a book Pope Francis and 577 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:03,050 he is not totally pleased with Francis 578 00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:04,930 left wing tilt 579 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:07,480 some matters so you're not the only one 580 00:29:11,660 --> 00:29:09,910 that's wondering in fact there are some 581 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:11,670 Catholics who are talking about 582 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:14,380 basically trying the Pope for heresy 583 00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:16,930 whether or not this particular comment 584 00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:19,900 would qualify as as a comment to try and 585 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:22,540 I don't know I think we've got a huge 586 00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:25,150 problem in the culture of the West as a 587 00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:28,060 whole now the kind of authoritarian 588 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:31,270 religion isn't flying well at least with 589 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:32,320 intellectuals 590 00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:35,370 although the oh the basically 591 00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:37,420 fundamentalist Christianity very 592 00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:39,880 conservative judaism and very 593 00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:41,830 conservative islam and especially 594 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:45,180 radical Islam are very authoritarian so 595 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:47,890 part of the split we have in our culture 596 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:51,760 now is between the left which doesn't 597 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:53,890 too much religion one way or the other 598 00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:56,050 although they aren't allowed to be 599 00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:57,640 against it because they tolerate 600 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:00,640 everything but the right hate the right 601 00:30:05,910 --> 00:30:02,830 is not tolerant of much of anything and 602 00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,920 it's no wonder that the left and the 603 00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:08,080 right are at each other both in American 604 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:10,990 politics and and also I would say Oh 605 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:13,510 European politics too everybody's a 606 00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:15,700 little shocked at the right seems to be 607 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:18,580 gaining ground in Italy and France and 608 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:22,030 everybody is kind of upset by that upset 609 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:25,660 by in Britain leaving the euro market 610 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:28,570 and all that kind of stuff we what I 611 00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:31,110 call liberal political culture now 612 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:34,660 doesn't fit well what you described as 613 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:36,310 the conservative standards of the 614 00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:38,710 Catholic Church back in the 50s or 60s 615 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:42,340 and that's the split we've got my view 616 00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:44,530 is that if the United States government 617 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:48,480 not led the cover-up of a UFO situation 618 00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:51,850 that the hardness of the Christian Right 619 00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:55,390 and the I would call it the atheism of 620 00:31:00,300 --> 00:30:57,520 the political left would have to 621 00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:00,310 readjust their thinking both sides and I 622 00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:02,230 think we have no way of measuring how 623 00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:04,870 much damage has been done to the culture 624 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:07,990 because the government has kept UFO 625 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:10,690 secrets if you let out that there's some 626 00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:12,790 type of intelligent reality watching 627 00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:15,820 over us all kinds of new values are 628 00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:16,240 going to 629 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:18,670 shape up and the hardness of the right 630 00:31:22,410 --> 00:31:20,410 and I don't believe everything of the 631 00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:22,420 left or both is going to be challenged 632 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:26,500 and well for many many years I pondered 633 00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:31,510 the concept of whether humanity the Homo 634 00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:35,320 sapiens safety in our species was in 635 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:39,100 fact interfered with by intelligence 636 00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,090 from elsewhere now the human race in its 637 00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:46,480 present form is believed to have been 638 00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:49,960 present on the earth for several hundred 639 00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:53,830 thousand years when we evolved into our 640 00:32:02,220 --> 00:31:56,920 present form and our present mind and 641 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:02,230 brain capacity so as far as established 642 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:06,790 history goes we can trace back our roots 643 00:32:15,299 --> 00:32:12,280 to ancient Sumer about 6000 years ago 644 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:15,309 now it's obvious that the human race had 645 00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:18,400 a heck of a lot more going on than that 646 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:20,679 I mean now with discoveries 647 00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:23,890 archaeological discoveries in Turkey 648 00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:27,870 cattle yoli I believe it is and other 649 00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:30,940 discoveries well my heaven even the city 650 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:35,020 of Jericho is recognized to be in excess 651 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:39,820 of 9,000 years that is a heck of a lot 652 00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:42,490 of history that we basically know 653 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:46,360 nothing about I think myself that it 654 00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:50,110 would be perfectly understandable that 655 00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:53,620 at some point planet Earth was visited 656 00:33:01,380 --> 00:32:58,480 and the Visser's tinkered with early 657 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:01,390 protohumans if we were to discover that 658 00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,510 and I don't believe for a second that if 659 00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:06,880 we did it would ever be discussed about 660 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:10,030 openly if we were to discover that what 661 00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:12,610 would that do in your opinion to 662 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:16,200 established religion as it is today and 663 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:19,210 what would it do to governments across 664 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:20,110 the planet 665 00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:22,570 alright let me start with religion and 666 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:24,340 then we'll get to the government's later 667 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:27,730 okay it certainly would be jarring to 668 00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:30,010 most Christian religion 669 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:32,200 I'm not sure the impact on the Jewish 670 00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:34,390 religion in some ways the Jewish 671 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:38,470 religion is more open to kind of making 672 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:41,890 it without firm beliefs about what our 673 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:44,710 destiny is beyond Earth you don't have a 674 00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:47,050 firm doctrine of life after death which 675 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:49,030 you get in both Christianity and Islam 676 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:52,710 and I think that a good number of Jewish 677 00:34:00,420 --> 00:33:56,770 readers of the Torah see the Genesis 678 00:34:03,510 --> 00:34:00,430 story as a story or a parable an 679 00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:03,520 explanation that doesn't have to be 680 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:05,740 taken literally some conservative Jews 681 00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:09,130 mate or Orthodox Jews may take the 682 00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:11,740 Genesis literally I don't know the thing 683 00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:14,200 that I think happens though is if you 684 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:16,899 have you iPhones there and the stories 685 00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:18,570 get out that the aliens have been 686 00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:20,980 abducting humans and taking sperm 687 00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:23,380 samples and so on and maybe if you 688 00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:28,300 follow Moulton Howe and her studies of 689 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:29,740 animal mutilations 690 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:32,230 you've got to suppose these guys are 691 00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:34,510 pretty smart technologically pretty 692 00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:37,389 smart biologically maybe they could 693 00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:41,500 create humans or human hybrids as some 694 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:44,830 have argued okay what happens religion 695 00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:47,800 though first of all I think we then 696 00:34:52,350 --> 00:34:49,480 understand ourselves should have been 697 00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:52,360 made by somebody for a purpose and all 698 00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:55,320 that's been lost by the Richard Dawkins 699 00:35:00,810 --> 00:34:58,810 who say that evolution made everything 700 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:00,820 there's no God and don't tell me about 701 00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:04,510 any God and the atheism of what I call 702 00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:07,360 the scientific left would suddenly have 703 00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:10,540 to say maybe evolution didn't happen by 704 00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:13,120 itself this gets you closer to what's 705 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:16,150 some conservative Christians but not not 706 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,410 what I would call fundamentalist 707 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:20,320 Christians have called designed that 708 00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:23,890 intelligent design and I refer to this a 709 00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:26,140 little bit of my new book but in any 710 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:28,540 case if you've got aliens flying around 711 00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:31,210 in the skies it's possible suppose that 712 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:32,860 they're on some kind of a divine mission 713 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:35,110 well they got this dimension we don't 714 00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:38,380 know but part of that mission may be to 715 00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,900 either guide or helped evoke the biology 716 00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:42,320 of the earth 717 00:35:47,770 --> 00:35:44,990 with that I don't take the Genesis story 718 00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:47,780 literally there are parables in the New 719 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Barry downing Don 858 00:42:02,460 --> 00:41:58,870 Ecker 859 00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:02,470 yes Reverend downing now when I was in 860 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:06,940 college my major was history I have 861 00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:10,570 loved history my entire life we know 862 00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:15,700 today that Genesis came strictly from 863 00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:19,900 Sumerian tells from 6,000 and longer 864 00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:23,020 years ago and we also know that during 865 00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:27,790 the course of the rising of Christianity 866 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:31,150 the early church fathers took what they 867 00:42:38,060 --> 00:42:34,690 wanted and discarded what they didn't 868 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:38,070 want okay into the dustbin of history 869 00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:41,920 ergo we have the the forbidden books the 870 00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:44,710 so-called forbidden books of the Bible 871 00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:49,320 now in ancient Sumer it was the 872 00:42:57,810 --> 00:42:53,560 Sumerians that told the world through 873 00:43:01,290 --> 00:42:57,820 their writings that these visitors those 874 00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:01,300 who from heaven to earth came known as 875 00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:05,320 the Anunnaki handed over to them all the 876 00:43:11,730 --> 00:43:08,680 seeds of civilization this is from 877 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:11,740 Sumerian writings they credited these 878 00:43:19,410 --> 00:43:15,690 so-called gods as the creators of 879 00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:19,420 humanity and humanities arts we're 880 00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:21,940 talking about government we're talking 881 00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:24,790 about animal husbandry we're talking 882 00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:28,390 about mathematics astronomy medicine and 883 00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:31,140 so many other things that today we don't 884 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:33,900 even give a thought to it now one of the 885 00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:36,690 things that got me so fascinated by this 886 00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:40,440 I was personal friends with zecharia 887 00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:44,100 sitchin the author of the so-called 888 00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:48,500 Earth Chronicle series who came out in 889 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:52,400 1976 with his first book the 12th planet 890 00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:56,610 where he laid so much of this out and 891 00:44:02,920 --> 00:43:59,700 then he followed it up with many other 892 00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:02,930 books books like the stairway to heaven 893 00:44:09,970 --> 00:44:07,020 book like the wars of gods and men and 894 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:09,980 in there he talked about these 895 00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:14,250 quote-unquote gods that came down from 896 00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:17,760 heaven and basically formed various 897 00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:22,200 factions of humans and often led them in 898 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:25,230 warfare with each other I'm sure you're 899 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:28,650 familiar with this if you are I'm very 900 00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:33,330 curious about your take on much of this 901 00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:37,140 and it would seem that we're not talking 902 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:41,430 about so much of good and evil as we are 903 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:45,890 talking about a superior race of beings 904 00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:49,350 toying with humanity for whatever 905 00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,800 purposes they themselves had well I 906 00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:54,960 think if you have any idea of God at all 907 00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,490 you worry about the towing idea if if as 908 00:45:05,540 --> 00:45:02,400 I are in my book the god of the Old 909 00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:05,550 Testament parted the Red Sea and helped 910 00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:08,100 the is escape and then drowned the 911 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:10,350 Egyptians though there appears to be a 912 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:13,410 towing going on furthermore there's a 913 00:45:18,830 --> 00:45:16,170 passage in the book of Exodus chapter 10 914 00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:18,840 where God is explaining his purpose 915 00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:21,420 nobody says this I'm going to make sport 916 00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:25,470 of the Egyptians okay so there's kind of 917 00:45:33,830 --> 00:45:30,270 a towing image going on and admits it 918 00:45:36,620 --> 00:45:33,840 the towing image of Exodus if you get to 919 00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:36,630 the New Testament in the resurrection 920 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:39,150 story of Jesus the last chapter of Luke 921 00:45:42,769 --> 00:45:41,970 deals with Jesus after he's been raised 922 00:45:45,409 --> 00:45:42,779 in the dead 923 00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:45,419 then he meets a cool disciples on the 924 00:45:51,019 --> 00:45:48,839 road to Emmaus and this is a fairly long 925 00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:51,029 road I think I've read it about seven 926 00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:53,849 miles so they walked along Jesus and the 927 00:45:58,909 --> 00:45:55,859 disciples the two disciples did not 928 00:46:00,979 --> 00:45:58,919 recognize him he quizzed them about hey 929 00:46:02,419 --> 00:46:00,989 what's new what's going on in town they 930 00:46:04,459 --> 00:46:02,429 said haven't you heard Jesus was 931 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:04,469 crucified and there's II was raised from 932 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:06,689 the dead and Jesus said quote scripture 933 00:46:10,399 --> 00:46:08,729 to him and that kind of thing they get 934 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:10,409 to the end of the journey the people 935 00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,329 invited him to join for dinner he does 936 00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,400 during dinner he breaks bread in front 937 00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:16,319 of them suddenly they realize it's Jesus 938 00:46:24,049 --> 00:46:19,829 and he disappears evaporates okay 939 00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:24,059 this is my idea of toying and obviously 940 00:46:31,189 --> 00:46:27,390 it made the New Testament the story but 941 00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:31,199 if you've got divine reality or superior 942 00:46:35,299 --> 00:46:34,169 reality how do you relate to an inferior 943 00:46:38,779 --> 00:46:35,309 doughty 944 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:38,789 and give them some integrity and yet 945 00:46:43,579 --> 00:46:41,130 give them some guidance at the same time 946 00:46:45,769 --> 00:46:43,589 it seems to me that's partly what we've 947 00:46:48,649 --> 00:46:45,779 had going on with our modern UFO thing 948 00:46:50,929 --> 00:46:48,659 that is we've got the superior reality 949 00:46:53,419 --> 00:46:50,939 all the reports of their technology in 950 00:46:56,779 --> 00:46:53,429 relation ours say they're better than 951 00:46:59,299 --> 00:46:56,789 what we got we try to counteract this 952 00:47:02,029 --> 00:46:59,309 with movies like Independence Day in 953 00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:02,039 which were the underdogs and of course 954 00:47:05,659 --> 00:47:04,169 our technology isn't as good as theirs 955 00:47:07,339 --> 00:47:05,669 but our guys are smarter and they're 956 00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,349 able to come down and all that that's 957 00:47:11,509 --> 00:47:09,839 all good and it's true the American ego 958 00:47:13,969 --> 00:47:11,519 to think of ourselves as the underdog 959 00:47:15,859 --> 00:47:13,979 when in fact most of the time during the 960 00:47:18,409 --> 00:47:15,869 past 50 years we've been the invader 961 00:47:20,899 --> 00:47:18,419 of the underdog but in any case that's 962 00:47:23,509 --> 00:47:20,909 part of what you call the mythology of 963 00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:23,519 the way our modern culture is dealing 964 00:47:29,049 --> 00:47:25,380 with the idea that we've got some kind 965 00:47:31,339 --> 00:47:29,059 of superior reality looking over us or 966 00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:31,349 interfering we don't want them to 967 00:47:36,439 --> 00:47:33,390 interfere because we want to be in 968 00:47:38,989 --> 00:47:36,449 charge but at the same time if we're in 969 00:47:40,489 --> 00:47:38,999 a mess and we need to be rescued as the 970 00:47:43,429 --> 00:47:40,499 Jews need to be rescued from the 971 00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,439 Egyptians well then okay we'd be willing 972 00:47:49,429 --> 00:47:45,839 to be rescued well it's kind of like 973 00:47:51,140 --> 00:47:49,439 children and their parents they want the 974 00:47:52,669 --> 00:47:51,150 parents to protect them when they need 975 00:47:54,499 --> 00:47:52,679 protection now they want the parents to 976 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:54,509 leave it alone let them do what they 977 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:55,330 want when they 978 00:48:00,270 --> 00:47:57,430 need protection that's kind of our 979 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:00,280 ambivalence as a culture about God and I 980 00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:03,610 think about UFOs that's fascinating but 981 00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:06,460 it doesn't answer my basic question I'm 982 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:09,310 presuming you are familiar with the 983 00:48:14,910 --> 00:48:12,370 writings and research of such and yeah 984 00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,920 let me say why I have not paid much 985 00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:16,960 attention the problem is that almost 986 00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:19,660 everything he does is based on on his 987 00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:22,030 interpretation of the Sumerian text and 988 00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:24,910 hardly anybody has an authority to 989 00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:26,440 challenge whether or not his 990 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:29,680 interpretations are correct so he may be 991 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:31,930 doing good work I'm not sure how 992 00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:34,390 reliable his interpretations are he's 993 00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:37,030 deceased now he died several years back 994 00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:41,910 but he had he had some absolutely 995 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:45,670 astounding conclusions in many areas now 996 00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:48,850 I realized that you can get into all of 997 00:48:55,950 --> 00:48:53,620 a discussion over whether his readings 998 00:48:58,380 --> 00:48:55,960 of the Sumerian script were in fact 999 00:49:03,270 --> 00:48:58,390 correct now the man was an ancient 1000 00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:03,280 language linguist I have yet to see 1001 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:07,150 anyone definitively being able to 1002 00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:09,970 disprove everything that the man wrote 1003 00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:13,870 about but when you look at what in fact 1004 00:49:21,810 --> 00:49:18,030 has been verified in the years since 1005 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:21,820 there's a heck of a lot and according to 1006 00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:27,730 the tales coming from Sumer back 6,000 1007 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:31,510 and more years ago they're their truth 1008 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:35,850 was that they had been created by and 1009 00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:39,010 handed the arts of civilization from 1010 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:44,310 these superior beings but you basically 1011 00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:47,170 discounted that oh I wouldn't 1012 00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:49,840 necessarily just keep that you know 1013 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:51,670 here's what we've got from the Christian 1014 00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:54,010 side if you read my second book which is 1015 00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,000 biblical UFO revelations the chapters 1016 00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,160 dealing with conservative Christianity 1017 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:03,280 and my points of view take place in 1018 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:06,010 chapters 9 and 10 one of my chief 1019 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:07,570 critics is a guy by the name of Gary 1020 00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:08,950 Bates 1021 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:12,100 he's a creationist meaning as he says in 1022 00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:17,410 his book he thinks the earth is 6,000 1023 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:21,520 years old okay and that's how much 1024 00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:24,610 respect he has for modern science this 1025 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00:54:30,480 and George Adamski of course the 1108 00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:32,910 contactee book the first part from 1109 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:35,880 Desmond Leslie was covering that subject 1110 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:38,010 there was a fella by the name of Jelena 1111 00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,650 Fortner Reverend did you ever hear of 1112 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:43,680 him from Jimbo's saucer news never did 1113 00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:45,330 never did he was writing about something 1114 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:47,670 he called extraterrestrial ism the 1115 00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:49,890 theory that the God of the Bible Jehovah 1116 00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:53,900 was really et we have the sky people 1117 00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,270 from Brinsley look for trench look for 1118 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:00,420 trench yes I read his yeah right and we 1119 00:55:04,610 --> 00:55:02,610 also of course had Erich von Daniken who 1120 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:04,620 was on the show just a few weeks ago 1121 00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:06,650 so what's your take about these 1122 00:55:11,090 --> 00:55:09,000 particular coverages obviously you don't 1123 00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:11,100 know mr. Fortner the late dr. fourtner 1124 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:13,580 but certainly you do with the others 1125 00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:16,740 okay look were trench I think he felt 1126 00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:18,780 that Americans you well 1127 00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:22,140 earthly civilization Mars isn't that one 1128 00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:24,990 of his theories that Mars was going bad 1129 00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:27,390 so they build this ship and flew people 1130 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:29,220 here you know the thing that Erich von 1131 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:31,650 Daniken does is he takes some of the 1132 00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:33,930 biblical stories like the story of the 1133 00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:36,780 destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and he 1134 00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:39,780 turns that into the story of being maybe 1135 00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:42,900 wiped out by nuclear weapons and that 1136 00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:45,470 the angels that are reported to be in 1137 00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:48,510 the Sodom area and trying to rescue a 1138 00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:51,060 lot and his wife that they're not really 1139 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:53,640 angels are not related to God rather 1140 00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:56,250 they are ancient astronauts and 1141 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:00,480 therefore they are no more angelic than 1142 00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:03,330 our own astronauts this is where I would 1143 00:56:08,329 --> 00:56:07,620 disagree when Anakin does is he gets 1144 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:08,339 pretty 1145 00:56:12,709 --> 00:56:11,130 it's the Exodus story he skips the 1146 00:56:14,569 --> 00:56:12,719 parting of the Red Sea he doesn't deal 1147 00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:14,579 with a cloud by the name pillar of fire 1148 00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:18,180 by night which is the central power of 1149 00:56:23,749 --> 00:56:21,869 the Exodus and UFO of some kind no 1150 00:56:25,729 --> 00:56:23,759 modern theologians have been able to 1151 00:56:29,209 --> 00:56:25,739 explain what the pillar of cloud and 1152 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:29,219 fire is so it's an unknown from a 1153 00:56:36,859 --> 00:56:32,130 biblical scholar point of view but I 1154 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:36,869 think that if we look in Wikipedia and 1155 00:56:42,109 --> 00:56:40,170 look up identified flying objects one of 1156 00:56:45,319 --> 00:56:42,119 the things we find is that although 1157 00:56:47,989 --> 00:56:45,329 Wikipedia will not say that gestures are 1158 00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:47,999 here they list several types of UFOs 1159 00:56:52,569 --> 00:56:49,859 that have been seen such as the saucer 1160 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:52,579 type or looks like a top but also 1161 00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:55,650 cylindrical-shaped UFOs are frequently 1162 00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:57,960 seen and I think that's what we have in 1163 00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:58,920 the Exodus 1164 00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:01,079 so I believe that the pillar cloud 1165 00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:03,150 no-fire uses its propulsion system to 1166 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:05,910 split the waters of the Red Sea so that 1167 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:08,729 the Jews could escaped and then when the 1168 00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,650 Egyptians followed with their chariots 1169 00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,960 the power was turned off and the walls 1170 00:57:18,529 --> 00:57:15,359 water collapsed Egyptians were drowned 1171 00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:18,539 and the Jews were now on their way to a 1172 00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:21,660 wilderness situation where they were 1173 00:57:26,029 --> 00:57:24,329 isolated and were given lots of 1174 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:26,039 Commandments for the Jewish religion 1175 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:28,650 including the Ten Commandments so that 1176 00:57:34,009 --> 00:57:30,930 what I would call Jewish ethics didn't 1177 00:57:36,019 --> 00:57:34,019 didn't appear out of nowhere but rather 1178 00:57:39,259 --> 00:57:36,029 they were give them to him by some kind 1179 00:57:41,779 --> 00:57:39,269 of higher power and I would say that if 1180 00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:41,789 the United States government tomorrow at 1181 00:57:45,799 --> 00:57:44,099 least information that aliens are here 1182 00:57:49,009 --> 00:57:45,809 and they're real there wouldn't be very 1183 00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:49,019 long before many religious leaders would 1184 00:57:54,229 --> 00:57:50,910 work their way back to the Exodus and 1185 00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:54,239 say huh maybe we missed something but 1186 00:57:57,709 --> 00:57:55,529 I'm going to clarify this so we 1187 00:57:59,509 --> 00:57:57,719 understand it here now obviously these 1188 00:58:03,319 --> 00:57:59,519 theories about ancient astronauts are 1189 00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:03,329 talking not about divine figures they're 1190 00:58:08,380 --> 00:58:05,579 talking about physical space beings who 1191 00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,390 come here and physical spaceships and 1192 00:58:13,099 --> 00:58:10,559 because of the fact that they're so 1193 00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,109 advanced all the things they do seem to 1194 00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:15,839 be magical to a more primitive people I 1195 00:58:21,019 --> 00:58:18,420 would say that's true but also I would 1196 00:58:22,279 --> 00:58:21,029 say that theology developed the idea of 1197 00:58:24,259 --> 00:58:22,289 the Superman 1198 00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,269 to explain things like the parting the 1199 00:58:28,759 --> 00:58:26,339 Red Sea because they didn't understand 1200 00:58:30,380 --> 00:58:28,769 what kind of technological power could 1201 00:58:32,359 --> 00:58:30,390 have done it now we have a better 1202 00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,369 understanding of technology and how it 1203 00:58:38,569 --> 00:58:35,359 works and in fact the word supernatural 1204 00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:38,579 was not used in theology until about 500 1205 00:58:43,999 --> 00:58:41,609 years ago so the word supernatural does 1206 00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:44,009 not imprint the Bible what we do have 1207 00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,249 are religious people in particular we're 1208 00:58:52,759 --> 00:58:50,400 saving on the idea of supernatural as if 1209 00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:52,769 that's the key to understanding God when 1210 00:59:00,289 --> 00:58:56,249 I don't think it's well you know I am of 1211 00:59:05,029 --> 00:59:00,299 a mind that number one I think it's 1212 00:59:08,469 --> 00:59:05,039 highly probable that the earth has been 1213 00:59:14,089 --> 00:59:08,479 visited by intelligence from elsewhere 1214 00:59:19,449 --> 00:59:14,099 for a very long time how many times have 1215 00:59:22,939 --> 00:59:19,459 we seen reports of ancient humans draw 1216 00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:22,949 fantastic shapes that apparently they've 1217 00:59:31,329 --> 00:59:28,249 witnessed in the sky and almost all the 1218 00:59:35,179 --> 00:59:31,339 cultures are around the planet have 1219 00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:35,189 mythologies have legends have histories 1220 00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:38,880 of being in touch or contact with 1221 00:59:43,699 --> 00:59:41,339 superior beings that most of them claim 1222 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:43,709 came down from the sky 1223 00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:49,170 now Sitchin's ancient Anunnaki theories 1224 00:59:57,469 --> 00:59:53,609 and writings that that he came away with 1225 01:00:02,179 --> 00:59:57,479 all described basically one thing that 1226 01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:02,189 humanity was in fact created from what 1227 01:00:10,699 --> 01:00:06,329 probably were extremely early ancestors 1228 01:00:14,539 --> 01:00:10,709 of the human race and the reason that 1229 01:00:20,499 --> 01:00:14,549 they were created was basically to have 1230 01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:20,509 in place a slave race that the higher 1231 01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:23,910 intelligences could order around to do a 1232 01:00:31,179 --> 01:00:28,079 lot of things mining of course was one 1233 01:00:36,289 --> 01:00:31,189 of the major functions that humans were 1234 01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:36,299 basically created for now we know from 1235 01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:40,140 current studies and archaeologists that 1236 01:00:49,390 --> 01:00:45,299 for example in South Africa that mines 1237 01:00:52,699 --> 01:00:49,400 were discovered and dated going back 1238 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:52,709 approximately three hundred thousand 1239 01:00:59,739 --> 01:00:55,650 years ago three hundred thousand years 1240 01:01:03,380 --> 01:00:59,749 that is an incredible amount of time and 1241 01:01:07,549 --> 01:01:03,390 something or someone was mining gold 1242 01:01:10,779 --> 01:01:07,559 there now ancients had a high high 1243 01:01:15,169 --> 01:01:10,789 regard for gold they saw it as something 1244 01:01:18,229 --> 01:01:15,179 sacred to the gods but if you're talking 1245 01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:18,239 about from a technological standpoint 1246 01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:22,319 gold is basically useless it's too soft 1247 01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:26,640 it can be bent out of shape well for 1248 01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:29,640 example my wedding band if I squeeze it 1249 01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,819 hard enough I can bend the gold so if 1250 01:01:38,509 --> 01:01:34,799 you're talking about tools or even 1251 01:01:40,579 --> 01:01:38,519 weapons gold is useless now you got to 1252 01:01:43,939 --> 01:01:40,589 ask yourself or at least I do 1253 01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:43,949 why would human beings if that's in fact 1254 01:01:49,219 --> 01:01:45,900 what it was why would they have been 1255 01:01:52,669 --> 01:01:49,229 mining gold that far back ago for what 1256 01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:52,679 purpose we don't even know if there were 1257 01:01:58,459 --> 01:01:55,049 civilizations there but there's a heck 1258 01:02:01,749 --> 01:01:58,469 of a lot we don't know since this is the 1259 01:02:04,669 --> 01:02:01,759 cessation of the last ice age roughly 1260 01:02:08,059 --> 01:02:04,679 twelve thirteen thousand years ago 1261 01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:08,069 because whatever was there was washed 1262 01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:11,579 away now at that time half of North 1263 01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,140 America was under a mile of ice that 1264 01:02:22,339 --> 01:02:18,559 suddenly within a thousand years 1265 01:02:25,339 --> 01:02:22,349 disappeared the oceans rose and the 1266 01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:25,349 bottom line is any civilizations that 1267 01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:27,569 would have been close to the sea would 1268 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:30,630 have been carried away so I I think we 1269 01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:34,410 have so many questions but to presume 1270 01:02:41,860 --> 01:02:38,880 that most extraterrestrial contacts and 1271 01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:41,870 I'm speaking strictly for myself 1272 01:02:50,110 --> 01:02:45,110 the most extraterrestrial contacts are 1273 01:02:54,580 --> 01:02:50,120 at worst benign and at best for our 1274 01:02:58,030 --> 01:02:54,590 benefit ours being the human race I have 1275 01:03:02,760 --> 01:02:58,040 questions about that doctor what do you 1276 01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:02,770 think right how do you how do you link 1277 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:05,990 the idea that the aliens are here flying 1278 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:10,250 around landing making some human contact 1279 01:03:17,950 --> 01:03:14,330 but at the same time I would say notice 1280 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:17,960 they've not landed on the playing field 1281 01:03:24,970 --> 01:03:21,770 we'll say at Giants Stadium in New York 1282 01:03:28,780 --> 01:03:24,980 or Coliseum during the Rose Bowl you 1283 01:03:31,090 --> 01:03:28,790 know let's do our break here and maybe 1284 01:03:34,060 --> 01:03:31,100 we'll find out interesting questions 1285 01:03:36,820 --> 01:03:34,070 more to come with gene gene Reverend 1286 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:36,830 downing and Don Ecker you're in the para 1287 01:03:50,220 --> 01:03:47,240 [Music] 1288 01:03:53,130 --> 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1398 01:08:31,979 --> 01:08:29,409 California yep they see be willing to be 1399 01:08:33,959 --> 01:08:31,989 around and perhaps have some purpose 1400 01:08:38,249 --> 01:08:33,969 being around and watching what's going 1401 01:08:42,059 --> 01:08:38,259 on but they also seem devoted to not 1402 01:08:44,249 --> 01:08:42,069 breaking what I'd call the lie that our 1403 01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:44,259 government's been telling about their 1404 01:08:49,530 --> 01:08:47,400 existence so there's there's kind of a 1405 01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:49,540 codependency going on here 1406 01:08:55,979 --> 01:08:53,739 the aliens are happy to not be a known 1407 01:08:58,319 --> 01:08:55,989 fact in our culture instead they're 1408 01:09:00,990 --> 01:08:58,329 hovering on the edge just like this 1409 01:09:02,999 --> 01:09:01,000 program is on the edge of mainstream 1410 01:09:05,879 --> 01:09:03,009 culture certainly certainly on the edge 1411 01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:05,889 of something yeah and why is that 1412 01:09:12,049 --> 01:09:08,710 and I published the Bible flying saucers 1413 01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,059 fifty years ago I could never guess that 1414 01:09:16,349 --> 01:09:14,799 basically there'd be almost no progress 1415 01:09:19,559 --> 01:09:16,359 on the part of what I would call 1416 01:09:22,109 --> 01:09:19,569 standard Christian religion in thinking 1417 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:22,119 about what this might mean the barrier 1418 01:09:26,519 --> 01:09:24,369 is simply that the government says 1419 01:09:28,169 --> 01:09:26,529 they're not there it is very convenient 1420 01:09:30,749 --> 01:09:28,179 for religious leaders to say hey you 1421 01:09:33,180 --> 01:09:30,759 gotta trust the government you know when 1422 01:09:35,609 --> 01:09:33,190 of course that's never been a wise thing 1423 01:09:38,209 --> 01:09:35,619 to do but in any case that seems to be 1424 01:09:41,069 --> 01:09:38,219 the case you know I try to talk to 1425 01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,079 theologians they don't so much dispute 1426 01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:43,839 is when I talk they just look at their 1427 01:09:51,390 --> 01:09:47,920 shoes you know so let's read well how do 1428 01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:51,400 you handle those theologians that claim 1429 01:09:57,649 --> 01:09:54,780 that there is no such thing as 1430 01:10:01,200 --> 01:09:57,659 extraterrestrials what in fact were 1431 01:10:04,410 --> 01:10:01,210 absolutely dealing with is a demonic 1432 01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:04,420 force and especially among 1433 01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:07,390 mentalists Reverend that seems to be the 1434 01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:10,480 prevailing theme that UFOs represent 1435 01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:12,179 demonic beings 1436 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:15,160 Clifford Wilson John weld and John keel 1437 01:10:21,390 --> 01:10:19,090 Timothy Daly Gary Bates they all promote 1438 01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:21,400 the demonic theory and I'm sure there 1439 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:24,040 are others besides an alternative from 1440 01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:26,290 Fontanella point of view is what I would 1441 01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:28,600 call the fallen angel theory chuck 1442 01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:30,790 Missler and Mark Eastman have written a 1443 01:10:36,090 --> 01:10:33,190 book that puts forth that point of view 1444 01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:36,100 they go to Genesis 6 where the sons of 1445 01:10:40,350 --> 01:10:37,960 God saw that the daughters of men were 1446 01:10:43,169 --> 01:10:40,360 fair and took them his wives and had 1447 01:10:46,530 --> 01:10:43,179 children by them and so on so that from 1448 01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:46,540 Miller's point of view some angels were 1449 01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:48,460 interested in having sex with humans and 1450 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:51,760 it was against God's rules and so the 1451 01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:53,650 beads that we're seeing in the skies now 1452 01:11:01,229 --> 01:10:58,150 are all part of that same group the 1453 01:11:03,570 --> 01:11:01,239 product right right that's correct so 1454 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:03,580 any case back to the demons demons are 1455 01:11:09,660 --> 01:11:05,650 in Chapter 9 that my new book and the 1456 01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:09,670 the nepheline part is in chapter 10 the 1457 01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:12,550 way in which the authors go at it is 1458 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:14,850 interesting for instance Timothy Daley 1459 01:11:21,090 --> 01:11:17,650 doesn't start with UFO stories he starts 1460 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:21,100 with Beth EADS book about being kind of 1461 01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:24,010 in a near-death experience and meeting 1462 01:11:28,979 --> 01:11:26,830 Jesus and things like that and he is 1463 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:28,989 sure that this is a demonic experience 1464 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:30,850 on her part even though she says she was 1465 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:35,650 meeting Jesus Gary Bates focuses on 1466 01:11:39,870 --> 01:11:38,050 Whitley Strieber quite a bit and says 1467 01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:39,880 that Whitley streamer was taken over by 1468 01:11:45,930 --> 01:11:43,090 demons and so that's that's the point of 1469 01:11:48,510 --> 01:11:45,940 view they take Gary Bates says I'm a 1470 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:48,520 fallen to a Christian so there's no hope 1471 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:51,330 for me so he's aware of what I'm doing 1472 01:11:56,189 --> 01:11:53,890 interesting thing is even though he says 1473 01:11:58,410 --> 01:11:56,199 I'm not falling away Christian he does 1474 01:12:00,510 --> 01:11:58,420 not quote a single sentence from my book 1475 01:12:03,150 --> 01:12:00,520 to buy don't flying saucers why don't 1476 01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:03,160 you look at him and say judge not my 1477 01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:05,920 friend and why shouldn't be judged yeah 1478 01:12:12,209 --> 01:12:08,230 that's a good quote from Matthew chapter 1479 01:12:15,810 --> 01:12:12,219 7 verse 1 alright what what strikes me 1480 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:15,820 though is that they do none of them 1481 01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:18,130 mention the key UFOs in the Bible 1482 01:12:21,690 --> 01:12:20,020 not only mentioned the pillar cloud by 1483 01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:21,700 day and the pillar fire by night they 1484 01:12:25,290 --> 01:12:23,110 don't have mentioned the chariot of fire 1485 01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:25,300 of Elijah that took him up in the sky 1486 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:27,250 they did not mention the wheels of 1487 01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:30,010 Ezekiel they did not mention the bright 1488 01:12:34,380 --> 01:12:32,140 light were the Apostle Paul on the road 1489 01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:34,390 to Damascus when a voice comes to Paul 1490 01:12:39,330 --> 01:12:37,510 saying Saul why are you persecuting me 1491 01:12:41,310 --> 01:12:39,340 and he says who are you and he says I'm 1492 01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:41,320 Jesus whom you are persecuting so there 1493 01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:44,110 are UFO events in both the old and new 1494 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:46,440 Testament and these Christian writers 1495 01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:49,410 supposedly writing about aliens and UFOs 1496 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:52,960 never mentioned UFO events in the Bible 1497 01:12:58,260 --> 01:12:55,690 so you know judge for yourself how 1498 01:13:02,640 --> 01:12:58,270 carefully they're dealing with their own 1499 01:13:07,740 --> 01:13:02,650 beliefs or supposed beliefs well this 1500 01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:07,750 this is a topic and a subject that has 1501 01:13:17,070 --> 01:13:11,110 been recognized today in modern America 1502 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:17,080 since 1947 and in all those years since 1503 01:13:24,180 --> 01:13:21,970 47 the United States government or I 1504 01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:24,190 shouldn't say the US government because 1505 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:26,230 that makes it sound like a monolith 1506 01:13:31,380 --> 01:13:27,610 which it isn't 1507 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:31,390 but elements within that government from 1508 01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:35,650 military and intelligence sources have 1509 01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:39,550 gone out of their way to keep this under 1510 01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:42,790 wraps they have used all types of 1511 01:13:49,580 --> 01:13:46,390 techniques to make this a ridiculous 1512 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:49,590 subject and they have destroyed lives in 1513 01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,050 those people willing to publicly talk 1514 01:14:00,030 --> 01:13:56,080 about what they've witnessed and so on 1515 01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:00,040 so with that being said Reverend this 1516 01:14:09,690 --> 01:14:04,950 past year the latter part of 2017 1517 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:09,700 suddenly several elements within the 1518 01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:12,730 United States government primarily led 1519 01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:15,250 by a former senator of the United States 1520 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:18,190 Senate Harry Reid from Nevada have 1521 01:14:26,430 --> 01:14:23,170 disclosed that a couple of incidents 1522 01:14:29,629 --> 01:14:26,440 happened involving what apparently were 1523 01:14:32,750 --> 01:14:29,639 unidentified flying objects UFOs 1524 01:14:35,780 --> 01:14:32,760 and they have admitted on the record 1525 01:14:39,050 --> 01:14:35,790 that military studies into this 1526 01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:39,060 phenomenon were undertaken to the tune 1527 01:14:44,109 --> 01:14:41,460 of over 20 million dollars which in the 1528 01:14:46,580 --> 01:14:44,119 American budget is practically nothing 1529 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:46,590 although 20 million dollars would be a 1530 01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:50,250 heck of a lot to me but suddenly there 1531 01:14:58,189 --> 01:14:53,310 seemed to be some cracks in this 1532 01:15:01,010 --> 01:14:58,199 monolithic government cone of silence 1533 01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:01,020 I'm sure you've observed this what's 1534 01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:02,719 your take on that 1535 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:07,170 right Fox News had a couple of good 1536 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:10,170 segments dealing with that you know a 1537 01:15:16,820 --> 01:15:13,290 few weeks ago and also just about what 1538 01:15:19,129 --> 01:15:16,830 week and a half ago vs nude is a story 1539 01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:19,139 on a UFO scene is I think is over 1540 01:15:25,220 --> 01:15:22,290 Arizona Jed first of all reported the 1541 01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:25,230 UFO flying over it and then American 1542 01:15:31,399 --> 01:15:29,159 Airlines passenger plane had followed 1543 01:15:33,010 --> 01:15:31,409 the same thing just a few minutes later 1544 01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:33,020 you're familiar with that story right 1545 01:15:41,780 --> 01:15:37,679 sure yeah and so wondering if there may 1546 01:15:45,890 --> 01:15:41,790 not be the beginning of a crack or this 1547 01:15:48,020 --> 01:15:45,900 might go far enough so that American 1548 01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,030 Airlines pilots and others like would no 1549 01:15:51,950 --> 01:15:50,159 longer be afraid they'd lose their jobs 1550 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:51,960 if they started talking about if there's 1551 01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:55,170 kind of a breakdown in what you would 1552 01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,179 call government control and this might 1553 01:16:02,030 --> 01:15:59,520 be deliberate that maybe that the secret 1554 01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:02,040 keepers have said okay we'll back off or 1555 01:16:06,859 --> 01:16:04,590 let this information out bit by bit it 1556 01:16:09,229 --> 01:16:06,869 would be interesting to see if if this 1557 01:16:11,570 --> 01:16:09,239 is where it's gonna go let's pursue 1558 01:16:13,220 --> 01:16:11,580 disclosure a bit more and our next 1559 01:16:16,459 --> 01:16:13,230 segment have a few comments to make 1560 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:16,469 we're talking to Reverend dr. 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seventy one that's eight 1672 01:20:47,660 --> 01:20:44,430 hundred eighty three one zero seven 1673 01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:47,670 seventy one or visit reputation defender 1674 01:21:00,520 --> 01:20:57,640 hi it's Greg Cameron from presidential 1675 01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,530 UFO calm you're listening to the para 1676 01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:03,440 cast the gold standard of paranormal 1677 01:21:15,420 --> 01:21:11,860 Reverend one thing that occurs to me 1678 01:21:17,890 --> 01:21:15,430 here we've been hearing since the 1950s 1679 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:17,900 expressions of the hope for UFO 1680 01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:19,850 disclosure that the so called silence 1681 01:21:24,820 --> 01:21:22,130 group as major Donald Kehoe I called it 1682 01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:24,830 they could be persuaded to let us in on 1683 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:27,980 the secret it happens every so often and 1684 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:30,770 we also hear hey it's getting closer 1685 01:21:34,660 --> 01:21:32,090 we're making progress 1686 01:21:39,150 --> 01:21:34,670 can we really realistically look at it 1687 01:21:43,150 --> 01:21:39,160 that way Reverend I don't know the 1688 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:43,160 revelations was basically taken first of 1689 01:21:48,510 --> 01:21:45,290 all because of the work that has been 1690 01:21:52,660 --> 01:21:48,520 done you know by various researchers and 1691 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:52,670 particularly used the book ad after 1692 01:21:58,090 --> 01:21:55,130 disclosure and you've probably read it 1693 01:22:02,080 --> 01:21:58,100 Richard Golan was the primary person 1694 01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:02,090 behind this but he also had a partner 1695 01:22:06,700 --> 01:22:03,710 worked with him our on it 1696 01:22:11,050 --> 01:22:06,710 what Dolan was trying to do with rice 1697 01:22:13,540 --> 01:22:11,060 Sabol is to envision what the results 1698 01:22:15,220 --> 01:22:13,550 will be when the authorities in the 1699 01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:15,230 United States say hey guys we've been 1700 01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:18,290 lying to you the answer here and here's 1701 01:22:21,190 --> 01:22:20,330 the truth that we're willing to tell you 1702 01:22:26,650 --> 01:22:21,200 at this time 1703 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:26,660 because Dolan is able doubt they would 1704 01:22:33,610 --> 01:22:29,570 tell us the whole thing at one time they 1705 01:22:36,910 --> 01:22:33,620 would without probably in pieces but is 1706 01:22:39,580 --> 01:22:36,920 able do ask questions about what happens 1707 01:22:42,430 --> 01:22:39,590 to religion when they have disclosed 1708 01:22:44,890 --> 01:22:42,440 comes and that instrument interested me 1709 01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:44,900 a lot and that's what led me to write my 1710 01:22:50,710 --> 01:22:48,140 work you know that announcement were to 1711 01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:50,720 come to Rome most of the religious 1712 01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:52,610 leaders that I've know withered buzz 1713 01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:54,380 would drop to the ground okay 1714 01:23:00,280 --> 01:22:58,370 there are some who and saying you know 1715 01:23:02,770 --> 01:23:00,290 it's no problem if the aliens are here 1716 01:23:04,569 --> 01:23:02,780 you know I guess the Pope's the 1717 01:23:06,569 --> 01:23:04,579 Pope's astronomer said we would just 1718 01:23:09,850 --> 01:23:06,579 baptize them you know it's no problem 1719 01:23:13,419 --> 01:23:09,860 but I think that the issue would be more 1720 01:23:15,729 --> 01:23:13,429 complex than that just to take the Roman 1721 01:23:18,370 --> 01:23:15,739 Catholic position on this down brought 1722 01:23:21,299 --> 01:23:18,380 this up chapter six in my book deals 1723 01:23:25,660 --> 01:23:21,309 with the wrong Catholic Church UFOs 1724 01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:25,670 there was a a Monsignor Corrado Balducci 1725 01:23:33,490 --> 01:23:30,800 who died I believe in 2008 and he had 1726 01:23:35,370 --> 01:23:33,500 gone on Italian television saying that 1727 01:23:38,169 --> 01:23:35,380 he believed was sure that UFOs are real 1728 01:23:41,229 --> 01:23:38,179 there were so many reports that couldn't 1729 01:23:43,029 --> 01:23:41,239 all be wrong we need to trust I witness 1730 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:43,039 accounts we couldn't even believe in the 1731 01:23:47,470 --> 01:23:44,690 resurrection of Jesus if we did believe 1732 01:23:49,359 --> 01:23:47,480 in the resurrection accounts the 1733 01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,369 interesting thing about Balducci too 1734 01:23:53,950 --> 01:23:51,679 though was that he said he didn't think 1735 01:23:56,319 --> 01:23:53,960 aliens came from the supernatural world 1736 01:24:00,010 --> 01:23:56,329 he believed they came from the natural 1737 01:24:02,830 --> 01:24:00,020 world and to me this is a key issue in 1738 01:24:05,770 --> 01:24:02,840 terms of why the Catholic Church has not 1739 01:24:09,580 --> 01:24:05,780 said much of anything about UFOs is 1740 01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:09,590 because and Don kind of referred to this 1741 01:24:15,250 --> 01:24:12,289 in an indirect way ago and that is if 1742 01:24:17,859 --> 01:24:15,260 you had will say a spaceship flying over 1743 01:24:19,959 --> 01:24:17,869 the Jews there but I know it's a 1744 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:19,969 spaceship now they called it a pillar of 1745 01:24:25,299 --> 01:24:21,770 cloud by Dan pillar fired by night but 1746 01:24:27,450 --> 01:24:25,309 they'd have no idea of its technology it 1747 01:24:29,649 --> 01:24:27,460 might look like what we would call 1748 01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:29,659 supernatural or something like that even 1749 01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:31,369 though they didn't use that word in 1750 01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:34,639 those days so that the easy distinction 1751 01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:37,210 between super technology and 1752 01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:39,590 supernatural is not going to be that 1753 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:43,489 obvious and if we see a UFO which is 1754 01:24:47,049 --> 01:24:45,050 sitting in front of our eyes and then it 1755 01:24:49,839 --> 01:24:47,059 splits into two or three parts they fly 1756 01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:49,849 apart then they come together again that 1757 01:24:54,910 --> 01:24:52,130 might look pretty supernatural to our 1758 01:24:56,649 --> 01:24:54,920 modern eyes even but if it's just some 1759 01:24:59,200 --> 01:24:56,659 type of advanced technology that we 1760 01:25:01,540 --> 01:24:59,210 don't know yet that just means we're 1761 01:25:04,569 --> 01:25:01,550 quite a ways behind we're just using 1762 01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:04,579 bows and arrows okay Reverend let me 1763 01:25:09,580 --> 01:25:06,770 interject something here because I think 1764 01:25:15,980 --> 01:25:09,590 this is going to play into it back in 1765 01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:15,990 the very early 1990s like 1991 or two 1766 01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:19,920 while I was at UFO magazine I received a 1767 01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:24,210 call from Richard Hoagland and professor 1768 01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:27,750 Stan McDaniel who at that time were 1769 01:25:37,550 --> 01:25:33,060 writing a paper basically chastising 1770 01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,560 NASA for well a number of things and 1771 01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:39,600 this show is not about that but but at 1772 01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:42,840 any rate they asked me they said you 1773 01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:46,560 know Don I believe there was a document 1774 01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:50,370 written when NASA was brand-new and they 1775 01:25:55,580 --> 01:25:52,290 gave me some parameters they said could 1776 01:25:58,850 --> 01:25:55,590 you track that down so I did some 1777 01:26:01,730 --> 01:25:58,860 research and I discovered a document 1778 01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:01,740 which today is fairly famous the 1779 01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:04,530 Brookings Institute document prepared 1780 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:07,920 for the brand-new NASA now that document 1781 01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:10,650 goes into a lot of things about the 1782 01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:14,310 space race and and you know technology 1783 01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:18,440 and many things but in that document 1784 01:26:25,780 --> 01:26:22,250 Brookings came to the conclusion that if 1785 01:26:30,020 --> 01:26:25,790 the United States government disclosed 1786 01:26:32,660 --> 01:26:30,030 the reality of extraterrestrials and I'm 1787 01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:32,670 paraphrasing here there would be two 1788 01:26:40,340 --> 01:26:36,110 groups of human beings that would be 1789 01:26:43,930 --> 01:26:40,350 adversely affected the first group they 1790 01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:43,940 specified were engineers and scientists 1791 01:26:52,130 --> 01:26:49,260 they would be basically crushed by the 1792 01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:52,140 realization of the technology they were 1793 01:26:58,910 --> 01:26:56,820 looking at the second group which is 1794 01:27:03,580 --> 01:26:58,920 going to square away with your bailiwick 1795 01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,590 are religious individuals primarily 1796 01:27:07,730 --> 01:27:05,280 fundamentalist and they were talking 1797 01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:07,740 about every religion they weren't just 1798 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:09,780 talking about Christians they were 1799 01:27:19,630 --> 01:27:15,290 talking about Jews Muslims and others 1800 01:27:24,250 --> 01:27:19,640 because that knowledge would basically 1801 01:27:26,660 --> 01:27:24,260 Electrify them and they were fearful 1802 01:27:27,870 --> 01:27:26,670 fearful of a collapse of civilization 1803 01:27:30,350 --> 01:27:27,880 now we know 1804 01:27:34,190 --> 01:27:30,360 from our own history every time a 1805 01:27:37,290 --> 01:27:34,200 technologically superior culture 1806 01:27:39,630 --> 01:27:37,300 encounters the more primitive one the 1807 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:39,640 primitive culture invariably is 1808 01:27:46,860 --> 01:27:43,330 destroyed now I don't think anything has 1809 01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:46,870 changed in that equation since that 1810 01:27:53,310 --> 01:27:50,350 document and might we not be looking at 1811 01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:53,320 something like that if suddenly we 1812 01:28:00,540 --> 01:27:56,380 discover that yeah ETS are real and by 1813 01:28:03,180 --> 01:28:00,550 golly ETS are here okay I wouldn't 1814 01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:03,190 dispute that there would be a big 1815 01:28:08,970 --> 01:28:06,490 religious up for technology all right 1816 01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:08,980 part of issue let me do the technology 1817 01:28:15,780 --> 01:28:12,550 first I don't think the scientific 1818 01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:15,790 community is going to be as upset as is 1819 01:28:21,150 --> 01:28:19,150 imply notice how quiet the scientific 1820 01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:21,160 community has been about the whole UFO 1821 01:28:25,470 --> 01:28:24,130 stuff why is that because the scientists 1822 01:28:28,110 --> 01:28:25,480 that are really doing much of anything 1823 01:28:30,270 --> 01:28:28,120 these days are somehow under government 1824 01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:30,280 contract okay maybe it's not direct 1825 01:28:36,510 --> 01:28:32,800 maybe they were at Lockheed Martin but 1826 01:28:38,250 --> 01:28:36,520 all these people are taking non signing 1827 01:28:39,870 --> 01:28:38,260 non-disclosure statements if they want 1828 01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:39,880 to get their money and if they want to 1829 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:42,880 get their pension so my guess is huge 1830 01:28:46,590 --> 01:28:44,290 numbers of people in the scientific 1831 01:28:48,030 --> 01:28:46,600 community know this is going on but 1832 01:28:50,670 --> 01:28:48,040 they're not gonna say anything out loud 1833 01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:50,680 because there goes my living so I don't 1834 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:52,420 think the scientific community is going 1835 01:28:57,330 --> 01:28:54,970 to be as upset okay maybe some of the 1836 01:28:59,580 --> 01:28:57,340 people in our universities okay where 1837 01:29:01,860 --> 01:28:59,590 they're isolated and not working on 1838 01:29:03,870 --> 01:29:01,870 signed it on government contracts 1839 01:29:05,490 --> 01:29:03,880 although it certainly and a good number 1840 01:29:07,980 --> 01:29:05,500 of government contracts get lot of 1841 01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:07,990 universities these days but in general I 1842 01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:09,490 think the universities are pretty 1843 01:29:15,660 --> 01:29:12,480 isolated so that would be a big bill for 1844 01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:15,670 many of our intellectual people to 1845 01:29:19,410 --> 01:29:17,140 swallow but I think the scientific 1846 01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:19,420 community is already compromised by 1847 01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:22,600 government pay and they know if they 1848 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:24,490 don't know directly they're suspicious 1849 01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:26,890 so they won't be shocked if the truth 1850 01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:30,910 comes out religious people though it's 1851 01:29:37,260 --> 01:29:34,030 it's a trickier thing okay I think first 1852 01:29:39,420 --> 01:29:37,270 of all religious people will have to 1853 01:29:41,580 --> 01:29:39,430 adjust their thinking an awful lot more 1854 01:29:44,129 --> 01:29:41,590 than scientific people so 1855 01:29:47,129 --> 01:29:44,139 people simply have to ramp up their 1856 01:29:49,649 --> 01:29:47,139 understanding of you know maybe quantum 1857 01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:49,659 mechanics stuff like this font but 1858 01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:52,900 religious people okay suppose while 1859 01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:55,690 going back when my was first published 1860 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:00,000 in 1968 was fifty years ago this year 1861 01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:02,650 Christianity a day ran a review of it 1862 01:30:07,939 --> 01:30:05,440 very negative review I mean and the guy 1863 01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:07,949 who wrote it was some kind of 1864 01:30:12,089 --> 01:30:10,480 scientifically oriented company he 1865 01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:12,099 bragged about how he's always paid 1866 01:30:15,930 --> 01:30:13,510 attention to science and there's 1867 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:15,940 conflict with religion and all that but 1868 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:18,610 he thought it was a terrible shame that 1869 01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:21,250 my book ever got written all right let's 1870 01:30:26,459 --> 01:30:23,590 continue that review and more Reverend 1871 01:30:28,169 --> 01:30:26,469 we've got Jean Steinberg Don Ecker is 1872 01:30:30,780 --> 01:30:28,179 our guest co-host and a lot more 1873 01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:30,790 excitement to come you're in the para 1874 01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:42,300 you are listening to GCN 1875 01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:48,670 visit GCN live.com today do you need a 1876 01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:51,190 website well you can get a great deal on 1877 01:30:56,580 --> 01:30:53,880 hosting services with namecheap 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space woman in a dream a 1892 01:31:31,950 --> 01:31:29,530 dream that turns out to be a nightmare 1893 01:31:33,690 --> 01:31:31,960 because evil forces on our distant 1894 01:31:36,330 --> 01:31:33,700 planet are planning to conquer the earth 1895 01:31:39,090 --> 01:31:36,340 this is gripping science fiction of the 1896 01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:39,100 classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and 1897 01:31:44,010 --> 01:31:41,050 the coming of the protectors find out 1898 01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:44,020 more and rockets calm thats Rockets are 1899 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:48,400 Ock oids calm this is Dan Pihl 1900 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:49,810 do you have the IRS money you can't pay 1901 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:51,850 our tax debts crippling you I've 1902 01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:53,530 defended people from the IRS for over 1903 01:31:57,930 --> 01:31:55,690 thirty years I've helped thousands and I 1904 01:31:59,400 --> 01:31:57,940 can help you too I wrote the book on IRS 1905 01:32:01,610 --> 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--> 01:34:22,930 see many ads for enhancement but the 1975 01:34:27,660 --> 01:34:25,600 side effects include death at GCN team 1976 01:34:29,220 --> 01:34:27,670 we should change the healthy body brain 1977 01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:29,230 and heart pack to the healthy libido 1978 01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:31,090 pack the brain and heart are not the 1979 01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:32,800 only organs that require a healthy 1980 01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:35,410 vascular system for proper blood flow at 1981 01:34:38,820 --> 01:34:36,370 the right moment 1982 01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:38,830 go to GCN team.com or call eight seven 1983 01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:41,590 seven eight seven eight 4203 that's 1984 01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:43,930 eight seven seven eight seven eight 4203 1985 01:34:55,580 --> 01:34:46,150 that's eight seven seven eight seven 1986 01:35:02,670 --> 01:34:59,310 this is actually you listening to the 1987 01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:02,680 podcast the gold standard of paranormal 1988 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:17,140 Reverend you got the floor okay 1989 01:35:23,500 --> 01:35:21,050 basically the review never used the word 1990 01:35:26,290 --> 01:35:23,510 angel never referred to angels and the 1991 01:35:28,810 --> 01:35:26,300 key to everything I'm saying in both 1992 01:35:31,390 --> 01:35:28,820 first and second books is that there's 1993 01:35:34,150 --> 01:35:31,400 some kind of angelic reality which you 1994 01:35:37,060 --> 01:35:34,160 now refer to as an alien reality which 1995 01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:37,070 has power to do things to humans on 1996 01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:40,610 Earth and this mate related to both the 1997 01:35:46,060 --> 01:35:42,560 old and the New Testament and the Jewish 1998 01:35:48,370 --> 01:35:46,070 and Christian traditions saw that when 1999 01:35:51,370 --> 01:35:48,380 that review was written I wrote a letter 2000 01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:51,380 of complaint to the Christian today 2001 01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:54,110 editors saying you know how could you 2002 01:35:59,560 --> 01:35:56,000 have a review like this which never 2003 01:36:01,240 --> 01:35:59,570 yields to the issue of angels and I sent 2004 01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:01,250 him an alternative article that they 2005 01:36:06,190 --> 01:36:03,770 could publish they didn't do it the 2006 01:36:08,620 --> 01:36:06,200 editorial board was divided about doing 2007 01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:08,630 it and they're changing editors I got a 2008 01:36:12,370 --> 01:36:10,370 letter saying will you sit on it for a 2009 01:36:14,140 --> 01:36:12,380 while until we get the new editor the 2010 01:36:18,460 --> 01:36:14,150 end of the day they rejected the article 2011 01:36:21,130 --> 01:36:18,470 but I think that interests me about four 2012 01:36:23,140 --> 01:36:21,140 years after my book or five after my 2013 01:36:25,810 --> 01:36:23,150 book is published Billy Graham wrote a 2014 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:25,820 book on angels and he was one of the key 2015 01:36:31,780 --> 01:36:28,090 ones that started Christian today 2016 01:36:34,180 --> 01:36:31,790 whether or not he heard a word with my 2017 01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:34,190 dispute with the board and whether or 2018 01:36:38,380 --> 01:36:36,500 not he thought that maybe it was time to 2019 01:36:41,890 --> 01:36:38,390 write about angels I don't know in any 2020 01:36:45,420 --> 01:36:41,900 case the current thinking of the church 2021 01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:45,430 both conservative and liberal is 2022 01:36:49,780 --> 01:36:48,670 nowheres near able to suppose that 2023 01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:49,790 angels 2024 01:36:54,490 --> 01:36:52,010 or aliens were involved whichever way 2025 01:36:57,850 --> 01:36:54,500 goes and I think that the interesting 2026 01:37:00,010 --> 01:36:57,860 thing here is that we can have both a 2027 01:37:03,730 --> 01:37:00,020 secular interpretation and a religious 2028 01:37:06,010 --> 01:37:03,740 interpretation of the material and we 2029 01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:06,020 can argue about it but in any case what 2030 01:37:12,250 --> 01:37:09,110 we need is to know that there's some 2031 01:37:14,350 --> 01:37:12,260 kind of reality there so that the 2032 01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:14,360 Richard Dawkins of the world can say 2033 01:37:19,570 --> 01:37:17,360 well maybe something did happen maybe 2034 01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:19,580 the Red Sea did part maybe it was done 2035 01:37:22,780 --> 01:37:22,130 by aliens okay that doesn't mean they 2036 01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:22,790 have anything do 2037 01:37:27,250 --> 01:37:24,800 god I'm gonna go on being an actin 2038 01:37:29,140 --> 01:37:27,260 atheist fine if Richard Dawkins wants 2039 01:37:32,020 --> 01:37:29,150 fun being an atheist that's his choice 2040 01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:32,030 but my choice is and say ah we've got 2041 01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:34,880 some type of reality here that's smarter 2042 01:37:37,870 --> 01:37:35,330 than we are 2043 01:37:41,740 --> 01:37:37,880 and it seems to think we need some 2044 01:37:44,530 --> 01:37:41,750 ethics you know we need Commandments we 2045 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:44,540 need to stop killing each other just for 2046 01:37:48,130 --> 01:37:46,010 the heck of it we need to stop stealing 2047 01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:48,140 from each other we need to stop fake 2048 01:37:53,140 --> 01:37:50,930 nose bearing false witness all that kind 2049 01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:53,150 of stuff and it's all that kind of stuff 2050 01:37:58,960 --> 01:37:55,760 which our modern culture is throwing 2051 01:38:01,900 --> 01:37:58,970 over the boat board or we don't need it 2052 01:38:04,510 --> 01:38:01,910 now well you as I said news is 2053 01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:04,520 entertainment now and that's the way to 2054 01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:06,320 do it and when it comes to the 2055 01:38:10,630 --> 01:38:08,210 newspapers which are gradually 2056 01:38:12,330 --> 01:38:10,640 transitioning to the Internet they have 2057 01:38:14,530 --> 01:38:12,340 these web portals they're adding 2058 01:38:15,970 --> 01:38:14,540 subscription services like The Wall 2059 01:38:19,570 --> 01:38:15,980 Street Journal the New York Times 2060 01:38:22,210 --> 01:38:19,580 Washington Post and therefore in order 2061 01:38:25,090 --> 01:38:22,220 to make money above and beyond the 2062 01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:25,100 subscription that people pay they have 2063 01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:26,960 to have advertising they have to get 2064 01:38:33,850 --> 01:38:30,080 hits so stories are considered in 2065 01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:33,860 relationship to the hit bait just like 2066 01:38:43,090 --> 01:38:36,530 along with that gene along with that is 2067 01:38:46,150 --> 01:38:43,100 the resurgence of a new tyranny on the 2068 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:46,160 internet there are those major major 2069 01:38:56,170 --> 01:38:50,090 Internet companies Google Facebook etc 2070 01:38:59,920 --> 01:38:56,180 etc that are basically telling the users 2071 01:39:01,990 --> 01:38:59,930 what they can say and what they can't 2072 01:39:04,330 --> 01:39:02,000 say and one more thing to mention before 2073 01:39:09,190 --> 01:39:04,340 you go on down there selling a product 2074 01:39:12,610 --> 01:39:09,200 Google Twitter Facebook that product is 2075 01:39:15,460 --> 01:39:12,620 you that's how they sell advertising the 2076 01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:15,470 difference here is I bring this up I 2077 01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:17,840 know you're not an Apple user Apple 2078 01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:22,490 sells phones they sell computers they 2079 01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:25,040 sell hardware they don't sell you that's 2080 01:39:30,490 --> 01:39:27,110 the difference whether you like Apple or 2081 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:30,500 hate them they sell products Google all 2082 01:39:34,510 --> 01:39:32,570 the rest of these people they sell you 2083 01:39:36,460 --> 01:39:34,520 go ahead yeah well you're absolutely 2084 01:39:40,020 --> 01:39:36,470 correct those 2085 01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:40,030 people are basically I you know it 2086 01:39:47,770 --> 01:39:44,390 really scares me thinking where we may 2087 01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:47,780 very well be in three to five years if 2088 01:39:57,190 --> 01:39:52,730 this trend continues because there then 2089 01:39:59,260 --> 01:39:57,200 will only be one side of any issue and 2090 01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,270 if that happens then we have major 2091 01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:02,000 problems all right I want to talk about 2092 01:40:08,460 --> 01:40:04,970 ethics and technology you know the track 2093 01:40:10,990 --> 01:40:08,470 we're on now is if you invent something 2094 01:40:14,770 --> 01:40:11,000 get it into the market as fast as you 2095 01:40:16,750 --> 01:40:14,780 can and then we'll DC decide how to use 2096 01:40:18,970 --> 01:40:16,760 it and whether or not it needs to be 2097 01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:18,980 controlled later on what's happened I 2098 01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:21,530 think with the internet stuff is a lot 2099 01:40:27,490 --> 01:40:25,250 of stuff is just out of control and well 2100 01:40:29,650 --> 01:40:27,500 what Don's worried about is once you get 2101 01:40:33,670 --> 01:40:29,660 control back on it's just gonna be one 2102 01:40:38,980 --> 01:40:33,680 point of view maybe but what we have now 2103 01:40:42,370 --> 01:40:38,990 is more like us than so we need to have 2104 01:40:45,610 --> 01:40:42,380 ethics in place before you put the gun 2105 01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:45,620 in the teenager's hand you know that's 2106 01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:48,380 not how it is now how you created the 2107 01:40:51,460 --> 01:40:50,690 lab as fast you can get it in the market 2108 01:40:54,370 --> 01:40:51,470 as fast you can 2109 01:40:56,590 --> 01:40:54,380 and if it'll sell that's good enough if 2110 01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:56,600 it turns out to be very destructive of 2111 01:41:02,650 --> 01:41:00,080 society as some of the social media 2112 01:41:05,050 --> 01:41:02,660 things that are turning out to be well 2113 01:41:07,780 --> 01:41:05,060 we'll deal with it later and maybe later 2114 01:41:10,330 --> 01:41:07,790 is to like John I think you're 2115 01:41:13,180 --> 01:41:10,340 absolutely correct Reverend I think 2116 01:41:18,100 --> 01:41:13,190 you're absolutely correct the lack of 2117 01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,110 standards today is appalling I don't 2118 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:20,960 know I hate to think of myself as an old 2119 01:41:28,510 --> 01:41:24,970 fogey but the idea of what my parents 2120 01:41:31,540 --> 01:41:28,520 would have said when I was in the second 2121 01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:31,550 or the third grade and suddenly they 2122 01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,290 were teaching me sexual techniques in 2123 01:41:41,110 --> 01:41:38,800 the second or third grade 2124 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:41,120 well my father would have would have 2125 01:41:46,460 --> 01:41:43,770 gone epileptic I mean 2126 01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:46,470 you know and these things are happening 2127 01:41:54,290 --> 01:41:50,310 today there they're teaching things that 2128 01:41:58,460 --> 01:41:54,300 have nothing to do with a with a proper 2129 01:42:01,570 --> 01:41:58,470 education and I I personally I find that 2130 01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:01,580 appalling I'd rather focus on our 2131 01:42:06,620 --> 01:42:04,770 subject here than so much about the 2132 01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:06,630 changes our society but one thing to 2133 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:09,810 bring up here we have et watching over 2134 01:42:16,850 --> 01:42:13,650 us or whatever the purpose of a possible 2135 01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:16,860 extraterrestrial visitor might be now 2136 01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:20,040 I'm one aspect if they see our society 2137 01:42:26,330 --> 01:42:22,170 going to hell in a handbasket do they 2138 01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:26,340 care on the other hand if et seated us 2139 01:42:31,670 --> 01:42:28,860 genetically and therefore has some 2140 01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:31,680 degree of control over us that's another 2141 01:42:37,580 --> 01:42:33,810 possibility that's another subject 2142 01:42:39,110 --> 01:42:37,590 so if et is here and seeing what we're 2143 01:42:40,930 --> 01:42:39,120 doing to ourselves and we all have 2144 01:42:44,930 --> 01:42:40,940 somewhat different opinions about that 2145 01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:44,940 what do you think they think about it or 2146 01:42:50,210 --> 01:42:47,910 do they even care maybe those humans 2147 01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:50,220 they'll go away and we'll just take over 2148 01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:50,880 this planet 2149 01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:53,970 what if we're simply a lab experiment to 2150 01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:56,970 see where ultimately it will go now that 2151 01:43:02,450 --> 01:42:59,880 experiment gone wrong yes well you see 2152 01:43:04,670 --> 01:43:02,460 the whole Wilpon of story is a lab 2153 01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:04,680 experiment from my point of view from a 2154 01:43:08,150 --> 01:43:06,030 scientific point of view from a 2155 01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:08,160 religious point of view it's a religious 2156 01:43:13,970 --> 01:43:11,130 teaching experiment okay so you can look 2157 01:43:16,190 --> 01:43:13,980 at the exodus is both a scientific event 2158 01:43:18,590 --> 01:43:16,200 or experiment and also as a religious 2159 01:43:20,990 --> 01:43:18,600 teaching event you can look at the same 2160 01:43:24,170 --> 01:43:21,000 thing both ways I'm end with that okay 2161 01:43:27,860 --> 01:43:24,180 what I would say right now is where our 2162 01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:27,870 ethics coming from now from the wallet 2163 01:43:34,430 --> 01:43:30,690 from that from the bank account from me 2164 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:34,440 you know the economic structure right so 2165 01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:37,770 it's if it sells its good and that's all 2166 01:43:45,170 --> 01:43:41,760 we need to know and not necessarily if 2167 01:43:48,710 --> 01:43:45,180 it ends up hurting people that's fine 2168 01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:48,720 too as long as you're not hurt right and 2169 01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:51,090 if I'm hurt I'll sue it's okay I mean it 2170 01:43:56,450 --> 01:43:52,650 might be a chance for me to make it big 2171 01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:56,460 you know so what you've got is not a 2172 01:44:00,610 --> 01:43:57,920 society that's well 2173 01:44:03,730 --> 01:44:00,620 ordered but rather a society at war with 2174 01:44:06,610 --> 01:44:03,740 itself basically so you don't have peace 2175 01:44:09,070 --> 01:44:06,620 if you don't have ethics and we don't 2176 01:44:11,710 --> 01:44:09,080 have much peace now I mean peace in 2177 01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:11,720 American life when there were children 2178 01:44:15,940 --> 01:44:13,730 worried about or they worried about 2179 01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:15,950 learning math or science no they're 2180 01:44:23,020 --> 01:44:17,920 worried about getting home alive 2181 01:44:27,310 --> 01:44:23,030 well this in my opinion current events 2182 01:44:30,630 --> 01:44:27,320 we are on the precipice of something 2183 01:44:32,290 --> 01:44:30,640 horrible I believe and and you know 2184 01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:32,300 looking at it from a historical 2185 01:44:41,700 --> 01:44:38,290 perspective I see this roughly as 1860 2186 01:44:47,620 --> 01:44:41,710 okay right on the cusp of a civil war 2187 01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:47,630 right oh well look at more of this about 2188 01:44:52,900 --> 01:44:49,370 the state of society and I'd like to 2189 01:44:55,050 --> 01:44:52,910 know about how we'd think visitors from 2190 01:45:00,430 --> 01:44:55,060 elsewhere might react to any of that 2191 01:45:02,230 --> 01:45:00,440 Reverend dr. 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2247 01:47:49,649 --> 01:47:45,950 [Applause] 2248 01:47:54,339 --> 01:47:49,659 welcome back into the para cast the gold 2249 01:48:02,830 --> 01:47:54,349 standard of paranormal radio and 2250 01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:02,840 here's Jane Steinberg I admire his 2251 01:48:09,580 --> 01:48:06,639 enthusiasm as an exciting event here 2252 01:48:11,709 --> 01:48:09,590 Reverend go ahead please all right I 2253 01:48:15,250 --> 01:48:11,719 think that the release of UFO 2254 01:48:17,979 --> 01:48:15,260 information would change the ethics and 2255 01:48:20,410 --> 01:48:17,989 the divisions in our culture I don't 2256 01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:20,420 know that it would be in the way that I 2257 01:48:25,419 --> 01:48:22,610 would like in the end of the day but I 2258 01:48:30,899 --> 01:48:25,429 think it needs to happen and if the 2259 01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:30,909 Brookings report what in 1960 was it 61 2260 01:48:36,370 --> 01:48:34,130 says whatever you do don't let the truth 2261 01:48:39,250 --> 01:48:36,380 about it goes out because Society will 2262 01:48:44,169 --> 01:48:39,260 collapse well I think society collapses 2263 01:48:47,050 --> 01:48:44,179 without X and right now the basic rules 2264 01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:47,060 are that no religion can have a dominant 2265 01:48:53,260 --> 01:48:50,210 voice in our culture that all religions 2266 01:48:55,330 --> 01:48:53,270 are of equal value which means if your 2267 01:48:57,550 --> 01:48:55,340 religion teaches vengeance that's your 2268 01:48:59,800 --> 01:48:57,560 right and if your religion teaches turn 2269 01:49:02,350 --> 01:48:59,810 the other cheek and love your enemy 2270 01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:02,360 that's fine for you too who's to say 2271 01:49:09,609 --> 01:49:06,770 which view is better and so there is no 2272 01:49:12,459 --> 01:49:09,619 real guiding ethics for our children and 2273 01:49:15,609 --> 01:49:12,469 the teachers in the school by and large 2274 01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:15,619 are not permitted by the Supreme Court 2275 01:49:21,370 --> 01:49:19,280 of giving that kind of at least not in 2276 01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:21,380 any religious way and they're certainly 2277 01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:23,810 not allowed to talk about God what we 2278 01:49:28,839 --> 01:49:26,480 have is basically a godless culture well 2279 01:49:34,780 --> 01:49:28,849 now that's not necessarily true 2280 01:49:38,109 --> 01:49:34,790 okay there are those selected that today 2281 01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:38,119 in American public schools are permitted 2282 01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:42,770 to discuss their God but not the 2283 01:49:48,129 --> 01:49:45,170 Christian God or the Jewish God and I'll 2284 01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:48,139 let it to your imagination to decide who 2285 01:49:52,060 --> 01:49:50,570 I'm talking about the up of the thing 2286 01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:52,070 that's mentioned here before we go on 2287 01:49:57,609 --> 01:49:55,250 why should that matter we have freedom 2288 01:50:00,520 --> 01:49:57,619 of religion in this country we've got 2289 01:50:02,830 --> 01:50:00,530 mostly freedom from religion okay 2290 01:50:04,260 --> 01:50:02,840 basically the scientific world that I 2291 01:50:07,470 --> 01:50:04,270 talked about what an hour 2292 01:50:10,410 --> 01:50:07,480 go or more that my theology professor 2293 01:50:11,730 --> 01:50:10,420 fast that basic beliefs like the 2294 01:50:14,250 --> 01:50:11,740 resurrection of Jesus have been 2295 01:50:16,830 --> 01:50:14,260 discounted by modern science we can't 2296 01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:16,840 believe that stuff anymore granted there 2297 01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:19,210 are Christians who go on believing it by 2298 01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:22,000 the science but I think that Richard 2299 01:50:26,730 --> 01:50:24,400 Dawkins is a good scientific model for 2300 01:50:30,210 --> 01:50:26,740 you to keep fine who represents the 2301 01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:30,220 erosion of religious belief in Western 2302 01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:33,490 culture as a whole and when religious 2303 01:50:38,730 --> 01:50:36,370 belief erodes the ethics that came of 2304 01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:38,740 that religion erodes with it and so I 2305 01:50:44,490 --> 01:50:41,050 think what we're looking at now is what 2306 01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:44,500 Don called moral relativism absolutely 2307 01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:46,930 there is no one that is given the 2308 01:50:52,650 --> 01:50:50,050 authority to say what our modern morals 2309 01:50:55,500 --> 01:50:52,660 should be and so you do what you can get 2310 01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,510 away with and if it isn't like then you 2311 01:50:59,220 --> 01:50:57,040 may get something like the women's 2312 01:51:00,900 --> 01:50:59,230 movement little chap ants what some guys 2313 01:51:02,850 --> 01:51:00,910 are doing and hope they can get a law 2314 01:51:05,670 --> 01:51:02,860 passed that will give them the right to 2315 01:51:08,340 --> 01:51:05,680 hang the perpetrators or whatever so it 2316 01:51:11,570 --> 01:51:08,350 really is reduced from being ethical 2317 01:51:15,480 --> 01:51:11,580 standards in life to simply pass a law 2318 01:51:17,310 --> 01:51:15,490 get as much muscle as you can behind let 2319 01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:17,320 your political views so you can get 2320 01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:20,050 things done your way people why don't we 2321 01:51:24,810 --> 01:51:22,360 get past the politics here I'm more 2322 01:51:26,670 --> 01:51:24,820 concerned with the mysteries that we're 2323 01:51:28,710 --> 01:51:26,680 confronting because we can have 2324 01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:28,720 different opinions on politics and you 2325 01:51:34,440 --> 01:51:31,330 know unfortunately in the society it is 2326 01:51:36,570 --> 01:51:34,450 so heavily polarized they have someone 2327 01:51:39,210 --> 01:51:36,580 that receives you as being too liberal 2328 01:51:41,010 --> 01:51:39,220 they'll freak they perceive us as being 2329 01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:41,020 too conservative though freaking I'll 2330 01:51:46,350 --> 01:51:44,170 just give you one comment years ago the 2331 01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:46,360 consciousness of the conservative former 2332 01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:48,250 Senator Barry Goldwater would go out 2333 01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:50,890 with George McGovern quintessential 2334 01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:54,250 liberal they were lifelong friends they 2335 01:51:58,320 --> 01:51:56,320 would go out they would have friendly 2336 01:52:00,570 --> 01:51:58,330 debates about their philosophies and 2337 01:52:02,370 --> 01:52:00,580 people would accept it and enjoy the 2338 01:52:05,190 --> 01:52:02,380 fact that you have two gentlemen who 2339 01:52:07,890 --> 01:52:05,200 were smart who as politicians go 2340 01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:07,900 relatively honest and it was fascinating 2341 01:52:12,810 --> 01:52:10,510 to hear them I heard them nowadays you 2342 01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:12,820 can't do that because I'm in the same 2343 01:52:16,970 --> 01:52:15,610 room they'll be ready at your age you're 2344 01:52:19,460 --> 01:52:16,980 dealing with nothing 2345 01:52:21,710 --> 01:52:19,470 but rage and anger not sure where that 2346 01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:21,720 rage and anger necessarily comes from 2347 01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,330 let me comment that both conservatives 2348 01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:26,880 and liberals dislike me okay whatever 2349 01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:27,780 that may mean 2350 01:52:32,930 --> 01:52:29,730 well for whatever it's worth Barry I 2351 01:52:35,570 --> 01:52:32,940 like you let's thank you Doug I like you 2352 01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:35,580 too so you know let's just keep it here 2353 01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,370 you know but here's what I believe the 2354 01:52:44,180 --> 01:52:40,880 government doesn't understand how much 2355 01:52:46,370 --> 01:52:44,190 keeping UFO information from the culture 2356 01:52:48,380 --> 01:52:46,380 has helped the culture collapse in the 2357 01:52:50,630 --> 01:52:48,390 way in which you've just described it 2358 01:52:53,390 --> 01:52:50,640 okay and the polarization that we have 2359 01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:53,400 now is I think the result of the 2360 01:52:58,430 --> 01:52:55,890 collapse of the values in the culture 2361 01:53:01,490 --> 01:52:58,440 and this collapse has been brought about 2362 01:53:04,729 --> 01:53:01,500 in good part because of the advancement 2363 01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:04,739 of modern science and religion shrinking 2364 01:53:09,290 --> 01:53:06,570 more and more into the closet and 2365 01:53:11,900 --> 01:53:09,300 everything else has come out and I 2366 01:53:14,090 --> 01:53:11,910 believe that if UFO information were 2367 01:53:15,650 --> 01:53:14,100 released yet to be a shock yes there'd 2368 01:53:17,330 --> 01:53:15,660 be a huge shock in the religious 2369 01:53:18,650 --> 01:53:17,340 community but in fact there isn't a 2370 01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:18,660 single religious community there's 2371 01:53:23,570 --> 01:53:20,940 multiples eventually they would be 2372 01:53:27,110 --> 01:53:23,580 shaken up and they'd have to I think 2373 01:53:29,150 --> 01:53:27,120 begin to take ethics seriously in the 2374 01:53:31,670 --> 01:53:29,160 culture in relation to modern science 2375 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:31,680 which that is creating problems for us 2376 01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:33,930 right and left of Facebook just being 2377 01:53:39,979 --> 01:53:36,330 the latest in the news let's do a mind 2378 01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:39,989 experiment for just a second okay let us 2379 01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:43,920 say that next week Monday the United 2380 01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:47,040 States government is spokesmen were to 2381 01:53:54,370 --> 01:53:51,920 come forward and admit the reality of 2382 01:53:58,220 --> 01:53:54,380 extraterrestrials that are here on earth 2383 01:54:01,970 --> 01:53:58,230 now that would be an electrifying a 2384 01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:01,980 shocking announcement I'll lay you ten 2385 01:54:09,770 --> 01:54:05,610 dollars to a thousand ten dollars to a 2386 01:54:12,620 --> 01:54:09,780 thousand that immediately all across the 2387 01:54:15,620 --> 01:54:12,630 country there would be people screaming 2388 01:54:19,310 --> 01:54:15,630 on Twitter and Facebook and everywhere 2389 01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:19,320 else every other social media why god 2390 01:54:28,060 --> 01:54:23,730 it's a false flag operation we are so 2391 01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,070 consumed today with conspiracies 2392 01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:30,000 conspiracy talk 2393 01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:33,930 conspiratorial thinking that even if the 2394 01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:35,490 United States government were to come 2395 01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:37,490 out with the absolute unvarnished 2396 01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:40,770 1,000,000% truths there would be a large 2397 01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:43,890 majority that would say well what are 2398 01:54:48,530 --> 01:54:46,080 they hiding why would they make this 2399 01:54:51,950 --> 01:54:48,540 announcement what's going on behind the 2400 01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:51,960 scenes what do you think oh absolutely 2401 01:54:55,340 --> 01:54:53,610 and the government's brought this on 2402 01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:55,350 themselves they've been lying for the 2403 01:55:00,230 --> 01:54:57,360 past 70 years especially religious 2404 01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:00,240 people who trusted this lie all sudden 2405 01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:02,490 the credibility of the government 2406 01:55:07,490 --> 01:55:05,520 becomes pretty much zero let me ask you 2407 01:55:10,580 --> 01:55:07,500 a question which comes to me every time 2408 01:55:15,230 --> 01:55:10,590 we talk about religion anyway folks okay 2409 01:55:17,090 --> 01:55:15,240 what if et lands in public and they 2410 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:17,100 communicate with us and we assume they 2411 01:55:20,450 --> 01:55:18,570 would learn English whatever they look 2412 01:55:22,460 --> 01:55:20,460 like and they say you know all that 2413 01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:22,470 stuff that went on in the Bible that was 2414 01:55:28,490 --> 01:55:25,650 us and we don't have a religion there is 2415 01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:28,500 no extraterrestrial religion we don't 2416 01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:31,170 believe in that stuff how do we react to 2417 01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:34,320 it well I'd say there's a lot of panic 2418 01:55:42,980 --> 01:55:39,210 in seminaries why not in my second book 2419 01:55:47,140 --> 01:55:42,990 I have an imaginary alien named George 2420 01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:47,150 and I bring him in different points and 2421 01:55:54,260 --> 01:55:50,250 you know I have him saying things such 2422 01:55:56,420 --> 01:55:54,270 as you just occasionally or that we put 2423 01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:56,430 Jesus on earth on purpose because we 2424 01:56:00,110 --> 01:55:57,930 felt you mean it's order to live 2425 01:56:02,180 --> 01:56:00,120 peacefully and if you read the Sermon on 2426 01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,190 the Mount you know you'll see what Jesus 2427 01:56:06,410 --> 01:56:04,560 intention was and what our intention was 2428 01:56:08,300 --> 01:56:06,420 and you guys don't seem to be doing it 2429 01:56:12,290 --> 01:56:08,310 now so we've decided to lay in the 2430 01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:12,300 takeover and military style and we're in 2431 01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:14,730 charge now something like that for those 2432 01:56:21,260 --> 01:56:17,070 of you who are familiar with the names 2433 01:56:27,020 --> 01:56:21,270 org zorag was a villain in the movie The 2434 01:56:30,530 --> 01:56:27,030 Fifth Element thank you any case zorg 2435 01:56:33,740 --> 01:56:30,540 shows up in my board and he could be a 2436 01:56:37,310 --> 01:56:33,750 villain you don't know and that's part 2437 01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:37,320 of the problem even if if we'll say a 2438 01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:40,170 landing took place and the 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that 2565 02:02:25,220 --> 02:02:23,400 comes with the power cast plus the power 2566 02:02:28,180 --> 02:02:25,230 cast plus also includes a version of the 2567 02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:28,190 show free of the network ads all that 2568 02:02:33,250 --> 02:02:31,050 starts at a dollar forty nine a week to 2569 02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:33,260 learn more go to plus dot for para cast 2570 02:02:40,700 --> 02:02:37,650 com+ dot the parent cast come Reverend 2571 02:02:44,780 --> 02:02:40,710 go on fees okay one of the things that 2572 02:02:46,660 --> 02:02:44,790 is in my book as I said is chapter 2573 02:02:48,890 --> 02:02:46,670 dealing Roman Catholic Church the 2574 02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:48,900 interesting stories comes from Daniel 2575 02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:51,030 Sheehan you may know him he's an 2576 02:02:56,060 --> 02:02:53,370 attorney has served several high-profile 2577 02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:56,070 cases involving the Constitution it 2578 02:03:00,440 --> 02:02:57,690 represented the New York Times of the 2579 02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:00,450 Pentagon Papers case and he was asked to 2580 02:03:05,300 --> 02:03:02,730 assist in preparing a briefing paper for 2581 02:03:08,780 --> 02:03:05,310 President Carter in regard to UFOs in 2582 02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:08,790 January 1977 at the time he wasn't 2583 02:03:13,850 --> 02:03:11,370 employed as counsel for the United 2584 02:03:17,150 --> 02:03:13,860 States Jesuit headquarters in Washington 2585 02:03:19,820 --> 02:03:17,160 DC we got the idea of contacting the 2586 02:03:22,490 --> 02:03:19,830 Vatican Library seeking access to that 2587 02:03:24,170 --> 02:03:22,500 section of the Vatican Library or the 2588 02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:24,180 information about UFOs and 2589 02:03:29,330 --> 02:03:26,880 extraterrestrial intelligence was and 2590 02:03:30,980 --> 02:03:29,340 much to our surprise he says about two 2591 02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:30,990 weeks later we got a letter back saying 2592 02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:34,050 no that we couldn't have access to this 2593 02:03:38,450 --> 02:03:36,810 we were shocked this was the United 2594 02:03:40,820 --> 02:03:38,460 States headquarters from the Jesuit 2595 02:03:43,970 --> 02:03:40,830 Order she and sent and their letter 2596 02:03:46,250 --> 02:03:43,980 saying he would abide by all the Vatican 2597 02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:46,260 restrictions he received a second look 2598 02:03:51,140 --> 02:03:50,400 also denying him access this is quoted 2599 02:03:56,360 --> 02:03:51,150 from the 2600 02:03:58,459 --> 02:03:56,370 unacknowledged by Steven Greer with I 2601 02:04:00,200 --> 02:03:58,469 would say that in the dish while all the 2602 02:04:02,990 --> 02:04:00,210 stuff going on in the media and saying 2603 02:04:05,930 --> 02:04:03,000 it's a black flag thing and and so on 2604 02:04:07,939 --> 02:04:05,940 pretty soon at least it was in two or 2605 02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:07,949 three days somebody make their way to 2606 02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:10,530 the Vatican and ask the Pope statement 2607 02:04:16,820 --> 02:04:14,400 and my guess is the the Vatican is known 2608 02:04:18,500 --> 02:04:16,830 all along the UFOs there and that 2609 02:04:22,700 --> 02:04:18,510 they're real and that they're from 2610 02:04:24,410 --> 02:04:22,710 another world why wouldn't that again 2611 02:04:27,919 --> 02:04:24,420 have released this information before 2612 02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:27,929 now I suspect that it doesn't really fit 2613 02:04:32,720 --> 02:04:30,810 with vatican theology and i suspect it 2614 02:04:35,780 --> 02:04:32,730 has exactly to do with the fact that 2615 02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:35,790 they believe many of the miracles in the 2616 02:04:41,270 --> 02:04:38,730 bottle were done by high-tech aliens and 2617 02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:41,280 not some type of supernatural power and 2618 02:04:46,459 --> 02:04:43,770 a lot of catholic theology is built 2619 02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:46,469 around the idea the supernatural so my 2620 02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:48,570 guess is that would be the first 2621 02:04:53,870 --> 02:04:51,090 challenge the Pope would have to take 2622 02:04:56,090 --> 02:04:53,880 which is to make some kind of statement 2623 02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:56,100 about whether or not he thinks that the 2624 02:05:01,399 --> 02:04:59,280 aliens were involved in the development 2625 02:05:03,169 --> 02:05:01,409 of the biblical religion at all were 2626 02:05:06,169 --> 02:05:03,179 they involved in any of the Catholic 2627 02:05:11,930 --> 02:05:06,179 miracles like the appearance at Fatima 2628 02:05:14,330 --> 02:05:11,940 in October of 2017 a woman by the and 2629 02:05:16,430 --> 02:05:14,340 ruffled has written an article about the 2630 02:05:19,130 --> 02:05:16,440 Fatima experience in the encyclopedia of 2631 02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:19,140 extra school encounters the miracle at 2632 02:05:23,390 --> 02:05:19,650 Fatima 2633 02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:23,400 on page 190 in that book and it 2634 02:05:29,180 --> 02:05:25,890 basically sounds like a UFO or flying 2635 02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:29,190 saucer it's a disc-shaped object spin I 2636 02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:31,770 would say if the Fatima event had 2637 02:05:37,790 --> 02:05:35,010 happened in 2017 which is the hundredth 2638 02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:37,800 year anniversary 50,000 people were 2639 02:05:41,689 --> 02:05:40,050 supposedly there to see it my guess 2640 02:05:43,640 --> 02:05:41,699 would be a fifty thousand people about 2641 02:05:45,890 --> 02:05:43,650 today forty-nine thousand people would 2642 02:05:47,330 --> 02:05:45,900 say there was a flying saucer the other 2643 02:05:49,550 --> 02:05:47,340 thousand people would say they don't 2644 02:05:52,010 --> 02:05:49,560 believe in flying saucers so it's my 2645 02:05:54,410 --> 02:05:52,020 sense of where the Fatima story would go 2646 02:05:55,910 --> 02:05:54,420 if the landing or rather the 2647 02:05:59,060 --> 02:05:55,920 announcement took place is doubt 2648 02:06:00,950 --> 02:05:59,070 suggested this coming Monday so how 2649 02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:00,960 would the Catholic Church come down in 2650 02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:04,110 terms of dealing with whether or not the 2651 02:06:08,420 --> 02:06:05,130 idea that supernet 2652 02:06:10,820 --> 02:06:08,430 has to be discarded and replaced by a 2653 02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:10,830 more nuanced view maybe modern physics 2654 02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:13,050 that's one things I'd be interested to 2655 02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:15,690 see my Protestant brothers I'm afraid to 2656 02:06:20,780 --> 02:06:18,570 say our nowheres near ready to deal with 2657 02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:20,790 this kind of question unfortunately and 2658 02:06:26,210 --> 02:06:23,490 of course there are many other there are 2659 02:06:29,810 --> 02:06:26,220 many other religious denominations and 2660 02:06:33,950 --> 02:06:29,820 sects that also very well might have a 2661 02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:33,960 major problem or even melt them with a 2662 02:06:40,190 --> 02:06:36,930 disclosure undeniable disclosure that 2663 02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:40,200 there's a reality here and you know dr. 2664 02:06:48,290 --> 02:06:44,450 downing there are a number of other 2665 02:06:51,290 --> 02:06:48,300 possible possibilities what this 2666 02:06:55,250 --> 02:06:51,300 phenomenon may be now earlier in the 2667 02:06:59,960 --> 02:06:55,260 show I had mentioned the end of the last 2668 02:07:05,030 --> 02:06:59,970 ice age we've talked about that very 2669 02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:05,040 briefly but we truly don't know we don't 2670 02:07:13,580 --> 02:07:09,570 know what may have been here twelve or 2671 02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:13,590 fourteen or fifteen thousand years ago 2672 02:07:21,290 --> 02:07:18,090 there was a major event that caused a 2673 02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:21,300 massive climate change all over the 2674 02:07:31,090 --> 02:07:27,840 planet at that time the oceans rose my 2675 02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:31,100 probably billions of tons of water 2676 02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:35,010 entered the ocean new lands were were 2677 02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:38,970 uncovered old lands were covered up what 2678 02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:43,410 if there had been some type of advanced 2679 02:07:51,590 --> 02:07:47,850 human culture that was able at least in 2680 02:07:54,890 --> 02:07:51,600 part to escape the devastation and that 2681 02:07:56,840 --> 02:07:54,900 in fact in part may be part of what 2682 02:07:59,390 --> 02:07:56,850 we're witnessing today there's another 2683 02:08:03,050 --> 02:07:59,400 possibility at the end of the Second 2684 02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:03,060 World War we civilians don't truly know 2685 02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:08,690 the the extent of German technology Nazi 2686 02:08:13,620 --> 02:08:11,520 technology they were working on some 2687 02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:13,630 truly advanced 2688 02:08:18,970 --> 02:08:16,370 technology at that time aeronautical 2689 02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:18,980 technology there have been a lot of 2690 02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:21,050 stories that have come out have surfaced 2691 02:08:27,340 --> 02:08:23,810 over the years that they in fact were 2692 02:08:29,380 --> 02:08:27,350 working on disk shaped craft with that 2693 02:08:32,680 --> 02:08:29,390 being said there's one other possibility 2694 02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:32,690 and this has also become a topic of 2695 02:08:40,300 --> 02:08:36,320 conversation in UFOs the possibility of 2696 02:08:43,120 --> 02:08:40,310 inter-dimensional incursions into this 2697 02:08:46,030 --> 02:08:43,130 reality have you taken a look at any of 2698 02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:46,040 those possibilities yes chapter 11 in my 2699 02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:48,890 book deals with that I better get a copy 2700 02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:52,610 of that book huh right and so you know 2701 02:08:57,250 --> 02:08:54,770 the chapter 11 is entitled advanced 2702 02:09:00,430 --> 02:08:57,260 physics UFOs in biblical interpretation 2703 02:09:03,420 --> 02:09:00,440 that's chapter 11 and basically you you 2704 02:09:06,130 --> 02:09:03,430 have what looked like interdimensional 2705 02:09:08,530 --> 02:09:06,140 action on the part of Jesus after his 2706 02:09:11,500 --> 02:09:08,540 resurrection you know in one story and 2707 02:09:13,300 --> 02:09:11,510 in John chapter 20 the doors of a room 2708 02:09:14,620 --> 02:09:13,310 are locked where the disciples were they 2709 02:09:15,670 --> 02:09:14,630 are afraid people are gonna come and 2710 02:09:18,430 --> 02:09:15,680 arrest them and kill them 2711 02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:18,440 and Jesus disappeared suddenly right in 2712 02:09:23,890 --> 02:09:21,110 the midst of them in the Eddy Andresen 2713 02:09:26,530 --> 02:09:23,900 abduction story she's in her living room 2714 02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:26,540 with her family or children Yuto lands 2715 02:09:31,330 --> 02:09:28,880 in her backyard aliens come right 2716 02:09:33,460 --> 02:09:31,340 through the door of her kitchen they 2717 02:09:37,470 --> 02:09:33,470 don't open it they come right through it 2718 02:09:39,970 --> 02:09:37,480 I have a minister found who has had 2719 02:09:43,180 --> 02:09:39,980 visitation experiences in his bedroom 2720 02:09:44,890 --> 02:09:43,190 somewhat similar to Whitley streamers he 2721 02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:44,900 had a being come into his room then 2722 02:09:50,590 --> 02:09:47,330 walked right out through his window of 2723 02:09:53,740 --> 02:09:50,600 his apartment and he was on the 15th 2724 02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:53,750 floor so there are issues of 2725 02:09:59,590 --> 02:09:57,440 dimensionality the different type of 2726 02:10:02,560 --> 02:09:59,600 physicality that seems to be going on 2727 02:10:04,810 --> 02:10:02,570 and some up see encounter cases now and 2728 02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:04,820 they also seem to be part of the New 2729 02:10:10,900 --> 02:10:07,760 Testament story in 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shipping 2813 02:13:40,350 --> 02:13:34,030 text best 3 3 to 4 4 3 4 4 3 that's B 2814 02:13:42,600 --> 02:13:40,360 est 3 3 to 4 4 3 4 4 3 hello my name is 2815 02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:42,610 Marjory wildcraft I'm the founder of the 2816 02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:44,050 grow Network which is an online 2817 02:13:48,270 --> 02:13:45,730 community of people who produce their 2818 02:13:50,490 --> 02:13:48,280 own food and medicine we are really into 2819 02:13:52,530 --> 02:13:50,500 backyard self-reliance if you want this 2820 02:13:54,720 --> 02:13:52,540 lifestyle I suggest your first step be 2821 02:13:56,790 --> 02:13:54,730 to learn some basic home medicine just 2822 02:13:59,460 --> 02:13:56,800 the other day my 18 year old son came to 2823 02:14:01,830 --> 02:13:59,470 me and said mama I got a sore throat can 2824 02:14:04,230 --> 02:14:01,840 you fix me up and I said sure Ryan and 2825 02:14:05,670 --> 02:14:04,240 in about 24 hours he was better the best 2826 02:14:08,070 --> 02:14:05,680 home medicine for you to start out with 2827 02:14:09,810 --> 02:14:08,080 is garlic it's an amazing natural 2828 02:14:11,640 --> 02:14:09,820 antibiotic and I can show you how to use 2829 02:14:14,370 --> 02:14:11,650 garlic to handle ear infections sore 2830 02:14:16,110 --> 02:14:14,380 throats colds and flues as a way for you 2831 02:14:17,820 --> 02:14:16,120 to get to a little bit but more about me 2832 02:14:19,500 --> 02:14:17,830 in the grow Network I've written up an 2833 02:14:22,650 --> 02:14:19,510 easy introduction on how to use garlic 2834 02:14:24,690 --> 02:14:22,660 it's at GC and wellness.com 2835 02:14:26,700 --> 02:14:24,700 now the station manager told me that I 2836 02:14:28,980 --> 02:14:26,710 needed to say the URL at least twice 2837 02:14:30,630 --> 02:14:28,990 even though it feels kind of weird but 2838 02:14:33,260 --> 02:14:30,640 if you're interested in backyard 2839 02:14:36,780 --> 02:14:33,270 self-reliance you are one of us go to 2840 02:14:39,810 --> 02:14:36,790 WWE and wellness com and let's connect 2841 02:14:39,820 --> 02:14:43,959 [Music] 2842 02:14:47,930 --> 02:14:46,069 this is Micah Hanks to the graylien 2843 02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:47,940 report and you're listening to the para 2844 02:14:50,750 --> 02:14:50,010 cast the gold standard of paranormal 2845 02:14:58,630 --> 02:14:50,760 radio 2846 02:15:01,160 --> 02:14:58,640 [Music] 2847 02:15:03,260 --> 02:15:01,170 yeah actually that was not me that was 2848 02:15:05,660 --> 02:15:03,270 Long John nipple he used to say I'm a 2849 02:15:08,060 --> 02:15:05,670 professor of ignorance and then the 2850 02:15:10,160 --> 02:15:08,070 mailman back in Brooklyn New York 2851 02:15:12,410 --> 02:15:10,170 he used to bring my mail when I was 12 2852 02:15:13,670 --> 02:15:12,420 years old he say yeah I gotta be a 2853 02:15:17,180 --> 02:15:13,680 professor 2854 02:15:20,420 --> 02:15:17,190 very bad imitation well sooner or later 2855 02:15:22,790 --> 02:15:20,430 right well it's getting kind of later we 2856 02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:22,800 all have that anchor we've got a drag 2857 02:15:27,140 --> 02:15:25,530 around gene I mean come on well I've 2858 02:15:29,290 --> 02:15:27,150 lost some weight in the last few weeks 2859 02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:29,300 so maybe my anchor is getting smaller 2860 02:15:36,140 --> 02:15:31,770 well I'll tell me your secret 2861 02:15:37,310 --> 02:15:36,150 my secret exercise eating healthy I work 2862 02:15:40,580 --> 02:15:37,320 out every day 2863 02:15:42,530 --> 02:15:40,590 and one of the motels we stayed in was 2864 02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:42,540 on the second floor so we had to go up 2865 02:15:47,450 --> 02:15:45,360 and down the stairs 50 times a day well 2866 02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:47,460 that'll do it you see now we're looking 2867 02:15:51,530 --> 02:15:49,050 for a new place I'm starting to think 2868 02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:51,540 you know what maybe I should look for a 2869 02:15:57,620 --> 02:15:55,170 second floor and the reason is I'm going 2870 02:16:00,200 --> 02:15:57,630 up and down the stairs all the time my 2871 02:16:04,250 --> 02:16:00,210 wife has me going out almost every day 2872 02:16:06,500 --> 02:16:04,260 doing a dog Duty patrol in the backyard 2873 02:16:08,300 --> 02:16:06,510 so I've got that I've been doing that 2874 02:16:10,820 --> 02:16:08,310 for five years since we've had teddy 2875 02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:10,830 bear I am the expert on picking it up 2876 02:16:17,510 --> 02:16:13,110 and doing it clean and green now I have 2877 02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:17,520 a lavender scented bag I don't want to 2878 02:16:21,410 --> 02:16:19,010 get into this it gets kind of grisly 2879 02:16:28,570 --> 02:16:21,420 yeah well I've got something called a 2880 02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:31,730 Teddy Banks is a Teddy big teddy bears 2881 02:16:38,570 --> 02:16:34,170 asleep now he's kind of not watching us 2882 02:16:42,260 --> 02:16:38,580 go ahead mr. wrecker yeah anyway dr. 2883 02:16:49,270 --> 02:16:42,270 downing if you had to distill all of 2884 02:16:53,780 --> 02:16:49,280 this down into one succinct statement 2885 02:16:58,130 --> 02:16:53,790 what would that statement be the aliens 2886 02:16:59,870 --> 02:16:58,140 have put us here they are a cause of I 2887 02:17:03,080 --> 02:16:59,880 think the Jewish and Christian religions 2888 02:17:05,950 --> 02:17:03,090 maybe other religions there's a book 2889 02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:05,960 called alien identities that deals with 2890 02:17:11,599 --> 02:17:09,210 Upanishads dr. Richard Thompson's the 2891 02:17:14,650 --> 02:17:11,609 author of that book he's arguing 2892 02:17:17,660 --> 02:17:14,660 Eastern religions were impacted by 2893 02:17:19,879 --> 02:17:17,670 extraterrestrial contact I'm in no 2894 02:17:21,919 --> 02:17:19,889 position to be an authority to deal with 2895 02:17:24,799 --> 02:17:21,929 what's true not true and what he's 2896 02:17:26,780 --> 02:17:24,809 arguing all I'm saying is I think you 2897 02:17:28,669 --> 02:17:26,790 know the aliens are there once you read 2898 02:17:30,320 --> 02:17:28,679 some of the abduction stories like the 2899 02:17:32,299 --> 02:17:30,330 Betty andresen story and some of the 2900 02:17:35,179 --> 02:17:32,309 others you know we're dealing with a 2901 02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:35,189 reality that can bring about religious 2902 02:17:40,309 --> 02:17:38,160 points of view even if Betty hadn't 2903 02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:40,319 started a religious point of view once 2904 02:17:45,940 --> 02:17:42,000 you got to do that experience she would 2905 02:17:48,770 --> 02:17:45,950 have won and so we've got a reality the 2906 02:17:51,410 --> 02:17:48,780 interested in what we're doing and I 2907 02:17:53,959 --> 02:17:51,420 think put us here but I can't prove that 2908 02:17:57,889 --> 02:17:53,969 but that's what I believe and I believe 2909 02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:57,899 that this reality wants to give us 2910 02:18:02,929 --> 02:18:00,479 enough freedom so that we take 2911 02:18:05,179 --> 02:18:02,939 responsibility for our own actions but 2912 02:18:08,209 --> 02:18:05,189 not so much freedom we blow ourselves up 2913 02:18:10,629 --> 02:18:08,219 which is why some of the UFO stories 2914 02:18:12,860 --> 02:18:10,639 indicate that the aliens have 2915 02:18:16,129 --> 02:18:12,870 short-circuited the computers in our 2916 02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:16,139 clear asylums and stuff like that and in 2917 02:18:23,959 --> 02:18:20,240 other words they've sent message to the 2918 02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:23,969 military authorities of this world your 2919 02:18:28,429 --> 02:18:26,010 plane was fired there and we don't want 2920 02:18:30,530 --> 02:18:28,439 you doing that other than that it 2921 02:18:33,919 --> 02:18:30,540 appears that they want to gets freedom 2922 02:18:38,799 --> 02:18:33,929 to make her own choices even if they're 2923 02:18:42,500 --> 02:18:38,809 bad so in that sense they're like 2924 02:18:44,599 --> 02:18:42,510 extraterrestrial parents I guess as I 2925 02:18:49,219 --> 02:18:44,609 stated earlier in this show when I was 2926 02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:49,229 in college my major was history history 2927 02:18:57,799 --> 02:18:54,090 has always been a topic a subject that I 2928 02:19:00,830 --> 02:18:57,809 absolutely love and with that being said 2929 02:19:03,650 --> 02:19:00,840 UFOs are no different now I have been 2930 02:19:06,950 --> 02:19:03,660 for well most of the time I've been 2931 02:19:09,429 --> 02:19:06,960 involved in this subject examining now 2932 02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:09,439 and again the ancient mythologies 2933 02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:14,490 involving visitors coming here from 2934 02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:18,450 elsewhere now if you look at many of 2935 02:19:25,010 --> 02:19:23,010 those mythologies many of them detail in 2936 02:19:28,550 --> 02:19:25,020 quite mind-numbing d 2937 02:19:32,330 --> 02:19:28,560 till conflicts among these various 2938 02:19:34,940 --> 02:19:32,340 groupings of gods so-called gods which 2939 02:19:38,510 --> 02:19:34,950 we probably would identify as 2940 02:19:43,690 --> 02:19:38,520 extraterrestrial and around the globe 2941 02:19:48,260 --> 02:19:43,700 there are areas that at one point show 2942 02:19:51,140 --> 02:19:48,270 suffered massive destruction one area in 2943 02:19:53,450 --> 02:19:51,150 northern India even today after who 2944 02:19:57,341 --> 02:19:53,460 knows how many thousands of years 2945 02:20:01,220 --> 02:19:57,351 there are detectable levels of radiation 2946 02:20:04,990 --> 02:20:01,230 the same in the Middle East where it 2947 02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:05,000 appears at some point in the past a 2948 02:20:12,940 --> 02:20:08,210 nuclear weapon was dropped 2949 02:20:16,700 --> 02:20:12,950 India India also at a nuclear weapon now 2950 02:20:18,910 --> 02:20:16,710 what is your take on those stories now 2951 02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:18,920 granted like I said their mythologies 2952 02:20:25,400 --> 02:20:22,530 but there does definitely seem to be 2953 02:20:30,700 --> 02:20:25,410 physical evidence now something like 2954 02:20:33,711 --> 02:20:30,710 that kind of bothers me how about you oh 2955 02:20:36,890 --> 02:20:33,721 it's mystery I wouldn't say it bothers 2956 02:20:41,841 --> 02:20:36,900 me very much what bothers me now is I 2957 02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:41,851 think that the what you might call the 2958 02:20:48,350 --> 02:20:45,690 fire to change our culture in a good way 2959 02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:48,360 is here if the UFO information were 2960 02:20:53,631 --> 02:20:49,920 released by our government that's what I 2961 02:20:55,370 --> 02:20:53,641 think and I think that you the aliens 2962 02:21:00,100 --> 02:20:55,380 have given our government the ability to 2963 02:21:03,440 --> 02:21:00,110 lie the freedom to lie and if not if not 2964 02:21:06,440 --> 02:21:03,450 exposed with a lie deliberately that 2965 02:21:08,810 --> 02:21:06,450 bothers me if I were in charge of the 2966 02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:08,820 aliens I would say exposed a lot and 2967 02:21:14,060 --> 02:21:11,120 what the Earthlings 2968 02:21:16,730 --> 02:21:14,070 begin to think what it means that we're 2969 02:21:20,261 --> 02:21:16,740 here and we're watching we're not 2970 02:21:23,660 --> 02:21:20,271 landing and takeover it's not 2971 02:21:27,400 --> 02:21:23,670 Independence Day again it's not that 2972 02:21:29,870 --> 02:21:27,410 kind of a takeover rather we expect 2973 02:21:33,080 --> 02:21:29,880 responsibility from you we expect you to 2974 02:21:35,421 --> 02:21:33,090 run your cultures in a fair and honest 2975 02:21:37,179 --> 02:21:35,431 way and you're not doing it don't you 2976 02:21:39,399 --> 02:21:37,189 think you ought a reform of the 2977 02:21:43,120 --> 02:21:39,409 I want to ask question quickly here 2978 02:21:46,719 --> 02:21:43,130 about the form of ET technology now 2979 02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:46,729 we're dealing assuming ets been here 2980 02:21:52,590 --> 02:21:49,130 thousands of years or several races or 2981 02:21:56,920 --> 02:21:52,600 more with a highly advanced culture 2982 02:21:59,710 --> 02:21:56,930 unless their technological capabilities 2983 02:22:01,899 --> 02:21:59,720 is stalled and maybe they're using some 2984 02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:01,909 other civilizations technology it's 2985 02:22:09,969 --> 02:22:06,800 almost sounds like stargate sg1 we may 2986 02:22:12,099 --> 02:22:09,979 not even be able to recognize their 2987 02:22:15,670 --> 02:22:12,109 technology because it's so far ahead of 2988 02:22:18,429 --> 02:22:15,680 us again it would be like magic so how 2989 02:22:21,609 --> 02:22:18,439 would we assume then that what we see is 2990 02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:21,619 UFOs is the real article and not just 2991 02:22:28,090 --> 02:22:25,449 either our interpretation because we're 2992 02:22:30,819 --> 02:22:28,100 trying to interpret what we see that's 2993 02:22:37,330 --> 02:22:30,829 so alien in a way we can understand or a 2994 02:22:41,649 --> 02:22:37,340 show put on for our benefit by them okay 2995 02:22:44,949 --> 02:22:41,659 I think that you know if you are going 2996 02:22:47,109 --> 02:22:44,959 to put out a fire or a fireman you 2997 02:22:50,019 --> 02:22:47,119 usually wear clothes that insulate you 2998 02:22:52,599 --> 02:22:50,029 some from the heat you know I think that 2999 02:22:56,559 --> 02:22:52,609 whatever the alien reality is that there 3000 02:22:58,960 --> 02:22:56,569 is a danger I don't think it's that 3001 02:23:01,660 --> 02:22:58,970 there's a probably a cultural danger 3002 02:23:05,109 --> 02:23:01,670 that the Brookings Institute people were 3003 02:23:07,090 --> 02:23:05,119 right about if that they can impose 3004 02:23:09,790 --> 02:23:07,100 themselves on us in such a way that our 3005 02:23:13,359 --> 02:23:09,800 culture would absolutely collapse at the 3006 02:23:19,210 --> 02:23:13,369 same time I think that you know we have 3007 02:23:23,229 --> 02:23:19,220 tried to improve other cultures and in 3008 02:23:25,689 --> 02:23:23,239 ways that we hope have imposed American 3009 02:23:28,420 --> 02:23:25,699 ways on them too much but at the same 3010 02:23:31,719 --> 02:23:28,430 time you know we land in Iraq and we 3011 02:23:35,050 --> 02:23:31,729 land with an army and so there's a lot 3012 02:23:36,609 --> 02:23:35,060 of resentment on the part of the people 3013 02:23:39,399 --> 02:23:36,619 in the Middle East about the way we 3014 02:23:41,529 --> 02:23:39,409 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02:28:26,660 --> 02:28:24,660 tv.com and discover a device that 3125 02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:26,670 creates the illusion someone inside is 3126 02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:28,970 watching TV even with your miles away 3127 02:28:34,130 --> 02:28:32,010 security is a mindset and fake TV should 3128 02:28:44,030 --> 02:28:34,140 be part of your security solution be 3129 02:28:46,490 --> 02:28:44,040 vigilant but not fearful fig tv.com hi 3130 02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:46,500 this is Joshua p-1 author of the poor 3131 02:28:51,620 --> 02:28:48,960 man's paranormal and you're listening to 3132 02:29:05,120 --> 02:28:51,630 the podcast the gold standard of 3133 02:29:08,330 --> 02:29:05,130 paranormal radio Reverend you were 3134 02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:08,340 starting on a point there and then the 3135 02:29:11,780 --> 02:29:10,170 advertising came in and by the way I 3136 02:29:14,030 --> 02:29:11,790 should tell you ladies and gentlemen 3137 02:29:16,180 --> 02:29:14,040 you won't hear the ads if you subscribe 3138 02:29:18,950 --> 02:29:16,190 to the podcast plus go ahead please 3139 02:29:21,650 --> 02:29:18,960 write the technique that was used with 3140 02:29:24,290 --> 02:29:21,660 the Exodus a very small group of Jewish 3141 02:29:26,780 --> 02:29:24,300 people was chosen they were called chose 3142 02:29:30,530 --> 02:29:26,790 God's chosen people in any case they 3143 02:29:32,750 --> 02:29:30,540 were a demonstration model okay so that 3144 02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:32,760 the human culture as a whole was not 3145 02:29:38,030 --> 02:29:35,610 taken over by the alien power that 3146 02:29:41,300 --> 02:29:38,040 brought about the Jewish Exodus rather 3147 02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:41,310 they used what I call targeted invention 3148 02:29:46,820 --> 02:29:44,370 it's kind of a military strategy that's 3149 02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:46,830 what the radical Muslim she wasn't 3150 02:29:50,780 --> 02:29:48,450 taking out the World Trade Towers they 3151 02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:50,790 didn't invade America they just took out 3152 02:29:54,410 --> 02:29:51,840 the World Trade Towers 3153 02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:54,420 and they've had a huge impact on culture 3154 02:30:01,580 --> 02:29:58,160 in that way the Christian story 3155 02:30:04,340 --> 02:30:01,590 evangelists were sent out and message 3156 02:30:07,250 --> 02:30:04,350 was love your enemies turn the other 3157 02:30:09,261 --> 02:30:07,260 cheek return good for evil didn't fly 3158 02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:09,271 all that well back then but that's the 3159 02:30:13,970 --> 02:30:11,610 message they gave and said this is a 3160 02:30:15,950 --> 02:30:13,980 message Jesus told us that we should 3161 02:30:18,290 --> 02:30:15,960 speak and Jesus was raised from the dead 3162 02:30:21,230 --> 02:30:18,300 and when we die we move on to a world 3163 02:30:23,870 --> 02:30:21,240 and we will be judged based on Jesus 3164 02:30:27,890 --> 02:30:23,880 standards after we die that's their 3165 02:30:28,460 --> 02:30:27,900 message and it flew on ways it flew all 3166 02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:28,470 the way to the 3167 02:30:33,679 --> 02:30:31,050 twentieth century in the 21st but it's 3168 02:30:36,530 --> 02:30:33,689 really whopping now that's what I would 3169 02:30:39,830 --> 02:30:36,540 say it's like a fish on the dock just 3170 02:30:42,170 --> 02:30:39,840 flopping and not swimming I think that 3171 02:30:44,660 --> 02:30:42,180 if UFO information really were relieved 3172 02:30:47,630 --> 02:30:44,670 yeah be chaos at first religious chaos 3173 02:30:50,150 --> 02:30:47,640 at first but eventually I think the 3174 02:30:52,460 --> 02:30:50,160 biblical story and the biblical ideas of 3175 02:30:54,950 --> 02:30:52,470 religion and ethics would be 3176 02:30:57,349 --> 02:30:54,960 rediscovered and I think we need to 3177 02:30:59,840 --> 02:30:57,359 rediscover them let's kind of look 3178 02:31:02,510 --> 02:30:59,850 towards an end game here with our 3179 02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:02,520 discussion now we've talked before about 3180 02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:04,560 the possibilities of disclosure and 3181 02:31:08,360 --> 02:31:06,090 everything again maybe improving 3182 02:31:10,760 --> 02:31:08,370 Reverend you of course have probably 3183 02:31:12,559 --> 02:31:10,770 heard about the stories in the New York 3184 02:31:16,460 --> 02:31:12,569 Times Washington Post and elsewhere 3185 02:31:20,960 --> 02:31:16,470 about this Pentagon UFO study yes does 3186 02:31:23,630 --> 02:31:20,970 that you indicate any progress and let 3187 02:31:26,570 --> 02:31:23,640 me just preface that by saying I thought 3188 02:31:29,179 --> 02:31:26,580 in listening to what they said about it 3189 02:31:31,070 --> 02:31:29,189 that they lived in a vacuum the story 3190 02:31:33,139 --> 02:31:31,080 about it is Oh finally the government's 3191 02:31:34,729 --> 02:31:33,149 taking it seriously they committed 22 3192 02:31:38,150 --> 02:31:34,739 million dollars which is chump change 3193 02:31:40,340 --> 02:31:38,160 and they had this study for several 3194 02:31:42,830 --> 02:31:40,350 years and then of course we have Tom 3195 02:31:44,719 --> 02:31:42,840 DeLonge as organization where the guy 3196 02:31:47,389 --> 02:31:44,729 who is in charge of it has gone to work 3197 02:31:50,540 --> 02:31:47,399 the question here is that bothers me is 3198 02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:50,550 if this really is anything meant to 3199 02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:52,890 indicate progress in disclosure UFO 3200 02:31:58,700 --> 02:31:56,370 research why did it exist in a vacuum as 3201 02:32:00,080 --> 02:31:58,710 if there was never another UFO study 3202 02:32:03,380 --> 02:32:00,090 which of course we all know isn't true 3203 02:32:06,559 --> 02:32:03,390 what do you think yeah I think that you 3204 02:32:09,559 --> 02:32:06,569 know the Tom long stuff he contacted 3205 02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:09,569 people after they kind of got out of her 3206 02:32:14,030 --> 02:32:11,370 business they were in and they knew what 3207 02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:14,040 was going on they've said some important 3208 02:32:18,380 --> 02:32:16,319 things but enough to lose their pensions 3209 02:32:20,210 --> 02:32:18,390 of course so that's kind of where we're 3210 02:32:21,710 --> 02:32:20,220 at yeah but you see the way what's now 3211 02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:21,720 in the government they may still lose 3212 02:32:26,750 --> 02:32:24,090 their pensions if somebody decides to 3213 02:32:30,530 --> 02:32:26,760 investigate them like 24 hours before 3214 02:32:33,139 --> 02:32:30,540 they get it maybe I may be taking risks 3215 02:32:35,660 --> 02:32:33,149 with their pensions they may and that's 3216 02:32:38,929 --> 02:32:35,670 probably the challenge that many of the 3217 02:32:41,750 --> 02:32:38,939 scientists that are involved in the UFO 3218 02:32:41,990 --> 02:32:41,760 stuff were doing I thought that the you 3219 02:32:43,880 --> 02:32:42,000 know 3220 02:32:46,640 --> 02:32:43,890 the the fact that the New York Times 3221 02:32:48,530 --> 02:32:46,650 carried this article and didn't do a 3222 02:32:49,910 --> 02:32:48,540 tongue-in-cheek was amazing because I 3223 02:32:52,540 --> 02:32:49,920 don't think the New York Times is ever 3224 02:32:53,930 --> 02:32:52,550 carried a serious UFO article has it 3225 02:32:56,840 --> 02:32:53,940 anybody know 3226 02:32:58,640 --> 02:32:56,850 not say of least July of nineteen fifty 3227 02:33:02,180 --> 02:32:58,650 two sure 3228 02:33:05,270 --> 02:33:02,190 well yeah quite a few years and the 3229 02:33:08,180 --> 02:33:05,280 Washington Post is worse because the 3230 02:33:11,750 --> 02:33:08,190 Washington Post ran a review of a UFO 3231 02:33:15,430 --> 02:33:11,760 book it was the biography of dr. J Allen 3232 02:33:17,870 --> 02:33:15,440 Hynek from I think last year and the 3233 02:33:19,940 --> 02:33:17,880 article seemed to be pretty straight 3234 02:33:22,690 --> 02:33:19,950 forward and then the last paragraph 3235 02:33:26,210 --> 02:33:22,700 jumps into the little green man junk 3236 02:33:29,630 --> 02:33:26,220 mm-hmm so there's a guy who wrote a book 3237 02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:29,640 called the missing times that oh yeah I 3238 02:33:37,460 --> 02:33:31,850 interviewed him as a matter of fact 3239 02:33:39,950 --> 02:33:37,470 Terri Hanson Hanson the house the 3240 02:33:41,630 --> 02:33:39,960 corruption taking place are these people 3241 02:33:44,840 --> 02:33:41,640 doing it as a sense of duty 3242 02:33:46,490 --> 02:33:44,850 you know our there's no time magazine 3243 02:33:49,040 --> 02:33:46,500 and the New York Times The Washington 3244 02:33:51,950 --> 02:33:49,050 Post are they saying we believe that 3245 02:33:54,380 --> 02:33:51,960 Brookings point of view that is cultural 3246 02:33:56,630 --> 02:33:54,390 collapse if we put this stuff out so 3247 02:33:59,600 --> 02:33:56,640 they've been complicit in the cover-up 3248 02:34:02,750 --> 02:33:59,610 it's just what Terry Hansen's 3249 02:34:06,980 --> 02:34:02,760 argument is basically or really paid off 3250 02:34:10,340 --> 02:34:06,990 which is you know more the the cult of 3251 02:34:14,270 --> 02:34:10,350 the CI CI a type point of view that the 3252 02:34:16,310 --> 02:34:14,280 CIA hands off money to the media centers 3253 02:34:18,110 --> 02:34:16,320 and as for their support I don't know 3254 02:34:21,890 --> 02:34:18,120 which way you want to go on you got to 3255 02:34:24,650 --> 02:34:21,900 go back to January 53 doctor January of 3256 02:34:28,130 --> 02:34:24,660 53 was when the Central Intelligence 3257 02:34:30,530 --> 02:34:28,140 Agency created the Robertson panel and 3258 02:34:36,340 --> 02:34:30,540 that was in in lieu of what had happened 3259 02:34:39,170 --> 02:34:36,350 in July and August of 52 after a week of 3260 02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:39,180 basically batting the ball about they 3261 02:34:46,220 --> 02:34:43,290 came to one conclusion which I am 3262 02:34:49,940 --> 02:34:46,230 convinced they implemented and that was 3263 02:34:52,990 --> 02:34:49,950 to Keller the next 50 plus years of a 3264 02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:53,000 public discussion on UFOs we must 3265 02:34:58,140 --> 02:34:54,730 ridicule 3266 02:35:00,301 --> 02:34:58,150 subject and ultimately that is what 3267 02:35:03,301 --> 02:35:00,311 happened and you can look at the post 3268 02:35:06,451 --> 02:35:03,311 you can look at the times you can look 3269 02:35:09,980 --> 02:35:06,461 at most other newspapers and regardless 3270 02:35:14,310 --> 02:35:09,990 of how important or or how many 3271 02:35:18,091 --> 02:35:14,320 witnesses or the the depth of the UFO 3272 02:35:21,240 --> 02:35:18,101 incident no one no one has taken this 3273 02:35:24,091 --> 02:35:21,250 seriously okay Thornton page was one of 3274 02:35:26,730 --> 02:35:24,101 the ones who was on that CIA Commission 3275 02:35:29,911 --> 02:35:26,740 and of course he and Carl say and put 3276 02:35:32,671 --> 02:35:29,921 together a team that did something 3277 02:35:35,940 --> 02:35:32,681 called scientific study of UFOs and I 3278 02:35:37,860 --> 02:35:35,950 think that trying to think but there 3279 02:35:39,871 --> 02:35:37,870 were several people that spoke kind of 3280 02:35:43,350 --> 02:35:39,881 in favor of believing that UFOs are a 3281 02:35:46,411 --> 02:35:43,360 serious scientific issue but both benzyl 3282 02:35:50,121 --> 02:35:46,421 and Sagan argued that UFOs are a 3283 02:35:52,740 --> 02:35:50,131 religious phenomena in our modern times 3284 02:35:54,961 --> 02:35:52,750 religion the generals gone downhill and 3285 02:35:57,751 --> 02:35:54,971 so aliens are kind of a stooge for 3286 02:36:00,961 --> 02:35:57,761 angels that was the argument that saying 3287 02:36:02,970 --> 02:36:00,971 in and mental both made that their UFOs 3288 02:36:05,551 --> 02:36:02,980 are a modern myth so part of the 3289 02:36:07,770 --> 02:36:05,561 question is not only where the media 3290 02:36:11,100 --> 02:36:07,780 people compromised either by the 3291 02:36:13,081 --> 02:36:11,110 government begging them to keep UFOs 3292 02:36:16,831 --> 02:36:13,091 quiet for the sake of national security 3293 02:36:19,921 --> 02:36:16,841 or paying them off or what about the 3294 02:36:23,551 --> 02:36:19,931 scientific side of it too and in my book 3295 02:36:26,161 --> 02:36:23,561 ideal for people Thornton page Edward 3296 02:36:29,551 --> 02:36:26,171 Condon Carl Sagan and Donald Menzel who 3297 02:36:31,921 --> 02:36:29,561 seem to be what I call the UFO debunking 3298 02:36:33,631 --> 02:36:31,931 team by the way speaking of money we 3299 02:36:37,201 --> 02:36:33,641 talked about twenty million dollars or 3300 02:36:39,871 --> 02:36:37,211 so for Harry Reid study wasn't the 3301 02:36:41,701 --> 02:36:39,881 Condon study funded by a quarter of a 3302 02:36:44,301 --> 02:36:41,711 million dollars isn't that the figure 3303 02:36:47,161 --> 02:36:44,311 was a half million dollars or a full 3304 02:36:48,631 --> 02:36:47,171 500,000 Reverend tell our listeners if 3305 02:36:50,520 --> 02:36:48,641 they want to know more about the things 3306 02:36:53,161 --> 02:36:50,530 you do is there a place they can check 3307 02:36:55,381 --> 02:36:53,171 out a site or something what they should 3308 02:36:58,381 --> 02:36:55,391 do is just Google the Reverend dr. Barry 3309 02:37:01,350 --> 02:36:58,391 downing they will be able to see me 3310 02:37:03,240 --> 02:37:01,360 both interviewed on some of the YouTube 3311 02:37:04,890 --> 02:37:03,250 things but also they'll see several 3312 02:37:07,480 --> 02:37:04,900 articles that I have published online 3313 02:37:09,940 --> 02:37:07,490 and so that's the easiest way to do it 3314 02:37:13,060 --> 02:37:09,950 Google Reverend dr. Barry doubting Don 3315 02:37:17,011 --> 02:37:13,070 Ecker tell us about your stuff Dark 3316 02:37:20,650 --> 02:37:17,021 Matters radio airs on Friday and 3317 02:37:25,240 --> 02:37:20,660 Saturday it begins at 5 o'clock Pacific 3318 02:37:29,770 --> 02:37:25,250 time on both days 8 o'clock Eastern this 3319 02:37:32,711 --> 02:37:29,780 weekend we are revisiting the Philip J 3320 02:37:37,030 --> 02:37:32,721 and broad nose story well we're gonna 3321 02:37:37,660 --> 02:37:37,040 take a look at that entire saga Thank 3322 02:37:40,690 --> 02:37:37,670 You Don 3323 02:37:44,110 --> 02:37:40,700 and of course you will always hear Don 3324 02:37:46,180 --> 02:37:44,120 Ecker every so often on the power cast 3325 02:37:48,131 --> 02:37:46,190 so we're always happy to have him here 3326 02:37:50,140 --> 02:37:48,141 you can find us on Twitter look for the 3327 02:37:52,870 --> 02:37:50,150 power cast you can find us on Facebook 3328 02:37:55,870 --> 02:37:52,880 with power casts fan clubs you can find 3329 02:37:57,850 --> 02:37:55,880 us the special version of our show if 3330 02:37:59,980 --> 02:37:57,860 you subscribe to the power cast plus 3331 02:38:02,440 --> 02:37:59,990 where you get better quality audio for 3332 02:38:05,261 --> 02:38:02,450 the power cast free of network ads the 3333 02:38:08,500 --> 02:38:05,271 after the power cast podcasts videos 3334 02:38:11,801 --> 02:38:08,510 other goodies and it's all available for 3335 02:38:14,171 --> 02:38:11,811 prices starting at $1 49 which is 3336 02:38:16,020 --> 02:38:14,181 slightly lower than the Circle K 3337 02:38:19,450 --> 02:38:16,030 convenience store down the street here 3338 02:38:22,120 --> 02:38:19,460 so not as cheap as a free hotel coffee 3339 02:38:24,131 --> 02:38:22,130 but gene it is cheaper than my car 3340 02:38:25,961 --> 02:38:24,141 payment so there you go well I 3341 02:38:29,440 --> 02:38:25,971 understand you own the car outright 3342 02:38:31,570 --> 02:38:29,450 which few of us do anymore yeah my car 3343 02:38:33,490 --> 02:38:31,580 is 10 years old but I'm still I'm paying 3344 02:38:36,280 --> 02:38:33,500 for it so there you go dollar and 3345 02:38:38,171 --> 02:38:36,290 quarter a week Reverend dr. Barry 3346 02:38:42,310 --> 02:38:38,181 downing thank you for joining us on the 3347 02:38:53,600 --> 02:38:42,320 power cast okay gene bye Don as always 3348 02:39:00,030 --> 02:38:57,120 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3349 02:39:03,020 --> 02:39:00,040 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3350 02:39:06,751 --> 02:39:03,030 presentation of making the impossible